Red tractor spot inspection

[glasshouse]

local farmer got taken to court by trading standards.

he sold a bunch of cattle, through mkt, no problem.

the buyer then sold a bunch, into abattoir, that the min vet said didn't match the details on the p/port.

so, down the line, accused 1st farmer of 'fiddling' the ages/tags, which he denied. As no replacement tags had been ordered, they insisted the tags could not be removed, and reused.

3 days in court, loads of info etc came out, TS showing how tags were tamperproof etc, records etc. Day 3, his side of the case, brought a chap into court, who demonstrated how simple it was to open, and reuse a tag.

case dismissed, and costs awarded. TS really not happy, accused the farmer of wasting their entire 'legal' budget, on this case, should have listened to him to begin with. Nor could they prosecute the 'culprit', as he had been a witness for the prosecution.

both local farmers, skittled in the same league, would be fair to say, one kept a very low profile.

Served trading standards right

 

[matthew]

I spoke with him earlier, partner is home and both doing ok.

Good.

Does anyone know how the OP got on?

I suspect you mean the spot inspection?

Read older messages.

I did, and still don't know how @jDunn faired with the Thursday inspection.

 

[bobk]

Good.


I suspect you mean the spot inspection?



I did, and still don't know how @jDunn faired with the Thursday inspection.

@Jdunn55

 

[Jdunn55]

Hi all, partner got home on firday, doing much better, they wanted to keep him for another 10 days but didn't have any ward space (ambulances queuing out the hospital) and needed the bed in ICU so he's home with strict instructions of bed rest

Confirmed leptospirosis on Tuesday evening, I luckily got them to test for it on Sunday so got that back quickly enough for them to change antibiotics. His kidney and liver function dropped to 14% and caused sepsis. His platelet level dropped from being above 100 down to 12 and every time he bled it didn't clot.

Really scary tbh, not something I ever wish to repeat, I didn't leave the hospital until 3am Wednesday morning when I came back to milk the cows and then went straight back.

Regarding red tractor

She's been, it went really badly.
I got promised by her that she only needed movement records and medicine records, so I got those out for the consultant

She turned up and wanted passports, waste disposal, antibiotic collation, herd health plan, water test etc etc etc

None of which my consultant had available (red tractor has them all in their emails though!!)

So ended up with non-conformances for all of them (About 8 I think).

Typically I had a down cow on the morning of the inspection and she went ape about that. Non-conformance, insisted on a vet out (despite my herd health plan saying to wait 24 hours before phoning the vet - what's the point in having one if they won't let you abide by it?). So I assume with red tractor you're never, ever, ever allowed a down cow

Non-conformance for not having enough sand in cubicles apparently (despite writing next to it all the cows looked really, really clean and no signs of hock abrasions/rubbing etc)

Managed to find 2 lame cows - not lame enough for her to write down which foot they're lame on though and I'll be f**ked if I can figure it out.

Goats need their hooves clipping apparently (I'm going to start putting their milk in the tank since they're now assured!)

The dairy door that she's been inspecting for the past 14+ years has apparently all of a sudden become non-vermin-proof!

Slurry pit is full - completely agree with this one and needs emptying

Dad, consultant and one of my friends said she insisted that the vet follow her around to do the inspection of the cows,
According to them she was putting words in his mouth and pressuring him to say things and he said he found it very awkward
Apparently all my cows are super skinny (my BCS sheets done by the vets would suggest otherwise (herd average of 3.25)) and none of the diets are correct (done by nutritionalist).

Genuinely feel she has a vendetta against me

Just for comparison
I've had 5 inspections since starting and 2 inspectors

Inspector a:
Inspection 1 - 20 non conformance
Inspection 4 - 10 non-conformances
Inspection 5 - 16 non-conformances

Inspector b:
Inspection 2 - 2 non-conformances
Inspection 3 - 1 non-conformance

Amazing the difference in the number of non-conformances between inspectors - almost a pattern!

Don't even know where to go now, feel completely defeated and lost in truth

 

[Headless chicken]

Hi all, partner got home on firday, doing much better, they wanted to keep him for another 10 days but didn't have any ward space (ambulances queuing out the hospital) and needed the bed in ICU so he's home with strict instructions of bed rest

Confirmed leptospirosis on Tuesday evening, I luckily got them to test for it on Sunday so got that back quickly enough for them to change antibiotics. His kidney and liver function dropped to 14% and caused sepsis. His platelet level dropped from being above 100 down to 12 and every time he bled it didn't clot.

Really scary tbh, not something I ever wish to repeat, I didn't leave the hospital until 3am Wednesday morning when I came back to milk the cows and then went straight back.

Regarding red tractor

She's been, it went really badly.
I got promised by her that she only needed movement records and medicine records, so I got those out for the consultant

She turned up and wanted passports, waste disposal, antibiotic collation, herd health plan, water test etc etc etc

None of which my consultant had available (red tractor has them all in their emails though!!)

So ended up with non-conformances for all of them (About 8 I think).

Typically I had a down cow on the morning of the inspection and she went ape about that. Non-conformance, insisted on a vet out (despite my herd health plan saying to wait 24 hours before phoning the vet - what's the point in having one if they won't let you abide by it?). So I assume with red tractor you're never, ever, ever allowed a down cow

Non-conformance for not having enough sand in cubicles apparently (despite writing next to it all the cows looked really, really clean and no signs of hock abrasions/rubbing etc)

Managed to find 2 lame cows - not lame enough for her to write down which foot they're lame on though and I'll be f**ked if I can figure it out.

Goats need their hooves clipping apparently (I'm going to start putting their milk in the tank since they're now assured!)

The dairy door that she's been inspecting for the past 14+ years has apparently all of a sudden become non-vermin-proof!

Slurry pit is full - completely agree with this one and needs emptying

Dad, consultant and one of my friends said she insisted that the vet follow her around to do the inspection of the cows,
According to them she was putting words in his mouth and pressuring him to say things and he said he found it very awkward
Apparently all my cows are super skinny (my BCS sheets done by the vets would suggest otherwise (herd average of 3.25)) and none of the diets are correct (done by nutritionalist).

Genuinely feel she has a vendetta against me

Just for comparison
I've had 5 inspections since starting and 2 inspectors

Inspector a:
Inspection 1 - 20 non conformance
Inspection 4 - 10 non-conformances
Inspection 5 - 16 non-conformances

Inspector b:
Inspection 2 - 2 non-conformances
Inspection 3 - 1 non-conformance

Amazing the difference in the number of non-conformances between inspectors - almost a pattern!

Don't even know where to go now, feel completely defeated and lost in truth

politely request another review next week with inspector b. Inspector a need have no knowledge of this either.

 

[Jdunn55]

Some photos of my incorrectly fed and neglected cows I took yesterday

As you can see, they're all super skinny and on deaths door

This is the fresh group BTW, all putting on an average of 0.15kg/day in weight and after calving they start gaining weight at about 6-8 weeks.

You can only imagine how skinny all the dry cows are when they've had an extra 200-300 days being fed...

 

[Scholsey]

Hi all, partner got home on firday, doing much better, they wanted to keep him for another 10 days but didn't have any ward space (ambulances queuing out the hospital) and needed the bed in ICU so he's home with strict instructions of bed rest

Confirmed leptospirosis on Tuesday evening, I luckily got them to test for it on Sunday so got that back quickly enough for them to change antibiotics. His kidney and liver function dropped to 14% and caused sepsis. His platelet level dropped from being above 100 down to 12 and every time he bled it didn't clot.

Really scary tbh, not something I ever wish to repeat, I didn't leave the hospital until 3am Wednesday morning when I came back to milk the cows and then went straight back.

Regarding red tractor

She's been, it went really badly.
I got promised by her that she only needed movement records and medicine records, so I got those out for the consultant

She turned up and wanted passports, waste disposal, antibiotic collation, herd health plan, water test etc etc etc

None of which my consultant had available (red tractor has them all in their emails though!!)

So ended up with non-conformances for all of them (About 8 I think).

Typically I had a down cow on the morning of the inspection and she went ape about that. Non-conformance, insisted on a vet out (despite my herd health plan saying to wait 24 hours before phoning the vet - what's the point in having one if they won't let you abide by it?). So I assume with red tractor you're never, ever, ever allowed a down cow

Non-conformance for not having enough sand in cubicles apparently (despite writing next to it all the cows looked really, really clean and no signs of hock abrasions/rubbing etc)

Managed to find 2 lame cows - not lame enough for her to write down which foot they're lame on though and I'll be f**ked if I can figure it out.

Goats need their hooves clipping apparently (I'm going to start putting their milk in the tank since they're now assured!)

The dairy door that she's been inspecting for the past 14+ years has apparently all of a sudden become non-vermin-proof!

Slurry pit is full - completely agree with this one and needs emptying

Dad, consultant and one of my friends said she insisted that the vet follow her around to do the inspection of the cows,
According to them she was putting words in his mouth and pressuring him to say things and he said he found it very awkward
Apparently all my cows are super skinny (my BCS sheets done by the vets would suggest otherwise (herd average of 3.25)) and none of the diets are correct (done by nutritionalist).

Genuinely feel she has a vendetta against me

Just for comparison
I've had 5 inspections since starting and 2 inspectors

Inspector a:
Inspection 1 - 20 non conformance
Inspection 4 - 10 non-conformances
Inspection 5 - 16 non-conformances

Inspector b:
Inspection 2 - 2 non-conformances
Inspection 3 - 1 non-conformance

Amazing the difference in the number of non-conformances between inspectors - almost a pattern!

Don't even know where to go now, feel completely defeated and lost in truth

Worth speaking to another certifying body for a second opinion?

 

[Jdunn55]

Couple of close-up calving cows...

The white cow is about my skinnest cow (except from one cull cow)

 

[Jdunn55]

politely request another review next week with inspector b. Inspector a need have no knowledge of this either.

Are you allowed to do that?

 

[Headless chicken]

Are you allowed to do that?

I would say you have sufficient evidence that it’s not an unreasonable request.

 

[som farmer]

Hi all, partner got home on firday, doing much better, they wanted to keep him for another 10 days but didn't have any ward space (ambulances queuing out the hospital) and needed the bed in ICU so he's home with strict instructions of bed rest

Confirmed leptospirosis on Tuesday evening, I luckily got them to test for it on Sunday so got that back quickly enough for them to change antibiotics. His kidney and liver function dropped to 14% and caused sepsis. His platelet level dropped from being above 100 down to 12 and every time he bled it didn't clot.

Really scary tbh, not something I ever wish to repeat, I didn't leave the hospital until 3am Wednesday morning when I came back to milk the cows and then went straight back.

Regarding red tractor

She's been, it went really badly.
I got promised by her that she only needed movement records and medicine records, so I got those out for the consultant

She turned up and wanted passports, waste disposal, antibiotic collation, herd health plan, water test etc etc etc

None of which my consultant had available (red tractor has them all in their emails though!!)

So ended up with non-conformances for all of them (About 8 I think).

Typically I had a down cow on the morning of the inspection and she went ape about that. Non-conformance, insisted on a vet out (despite my herd health plan saying to wait 24 hours before phoning the vet - what's the point in having one if they won't let you abide by it?). So I assume with red tractor you're never, ever, ever allowed a down cow

Non-conformance for not having enough sand in cubicles apparently (despite writing next to it all the cows looked really, really clean and no signs of hock abrasions/rubbing etc)

Managed to find 2 lame cows - not lame enough for her to write down which foot they're lame on though and I'll be f**ked if I can figure it out.

Goats need their hooves clipping apparently (I'm going to start putting their milk in the tank since they're now assured!)

The dairy door that she's been inspecting for the past 14+ years has apparently all of a sudden become non-vermin-proof!

Slurry pit is full - completely agree with this one and needs emptying

Dad, consultant and one of my friends said she insisted that the vet follow her around to do the inspection of the cows,
According to them she was putting words in his mouth and pressuring him to say things and he said he found it very awkward
Apparently all my cows are super skinny (my BCS sheets done by the vets would suggest otherwise (herd average of 3.25)) and none of the diets are correct (done by nutritionalist).

Genuinely feel she has a vendetta against me

Just for comparison
I've had 5 inspections since starting and 2 inspectors

Inspector a:
Inspection 1 - 20 non conformance
Inspection 4 - 10 non-conformances
Inspection 5 - 16 non-conformances

Inspector b:
Inspection 2 - 2 non-conformances
Inspection 3 - 1 non-conformance

Amazing the difference in the number of non-conformances between inspectors - almost a pattern!

Don't even know where to go now, feel completely defeated and lost in truth

sorry to hear that, what a bitch.

when we had one like that, made a formal complaint, perhaps your vets could help you on that.

we then had another inspection, same bitch, but with her manager, a completely different outcome, she kept her mouth shut.

what's the next move, or how long has she given you, to 'sort' things out, you have to have a plan. L would start by ringing every official body you can, Samaritains FNC TFA, NFU and any one else.

But, really great news about your partner, that has to be a weight off your shoulders. And things can only get better, keep your chin up.

l expect there's help available locally, from members of TFF, don't be afraid to ask.

 

[Bury the Trash]

feel completely defeated and lost in truth

only natural to feel like that but don't let them get to you and beyond that, don't give up on it.
Your Cows look well .

 

[Headless chicken]

Some photos of my incorrectly fed and neglected cows I took yesterday

As you can see, they're all super skinny and on deaths door

This is the fresh group BTW, all putting on an average of 0.15kg/day in weight and after calving they start gaining weight at about 6-8 weeks.

You can only imagine how skinny all the dry cows are when they've had an extra 200-300 days being fed...

Your cows are looking in excellent condition

 

[Renaultman]

sorry to hear that, what a bitch.

when we had one like that, made a formal complaint, perhaps your vets could help you on that.

we then had another inspection, same bitch, but with her manager, a completely different outcome, she kept her mouth shut.

what's the next move, or how long has she given you, to 'sort' things out, you have to have a plan. L would start by ringing every official body you can, Samaritains FNC TFA, NFU and any one else.

But, really great news about your partner, that has to be a weight off your shoulders. And things can only get better, keep your chin up.

l expect there's help available locally, from members of TFF, don't be afraid to ask.

I'm absolutely sure you're right

 

[Old apprentice]

Absolutely disgusting person that has said all that about your cattle and buisnes.This is why rt, should be abliterated out of existence if you had a dairy inspector from gov, agency you would not had any thing like that . They are only trying to justify there existence and you and I know they are not required. Take care and I hope your partner gets back to fill recovery soon.

 

[buffalo_soldier]

Awful.

If it were me, she would now have a lifetime ban from the premises and a formal complaint would be made.

 

[Same95]

only natural to feel like that but don't let them get to you and beyond that, don't give up on it.
Your Cows look well .

Yes, don't give up! See the buggers out!!

 

[Davy]

Written response to RT stating you want another inspection ASAP by a different inspector as you do not accept her opinion, and a complaint lodged against previous inspector. You have documentary evidence showing her vexatious attitude, and they will not be welcome on your farm again.

 

[TheRanger]

Glad your partners home and hopefully on the mend now. I’ve 100 doses of Lepto vaccine in the fridge to do their annual booster this week. Got ridiculed on here recently for saying that we do it because our vet recommend it primarily to protect ourselves rather than the cows.

RT are way out of order, definitely put a complaint in and request another inspector.

 

[pappuller]

Glad your partners home and hopefully on the mend now. I’ve 100 doses of Lepto vaccine in the fridge to do their annual booster this week. Got ridiculed on here recently for saying that we do it because our vet recommend it primarily to protect ourselves rather than the cows.

RT are way out of order, definitely put a complaint in and request another inspector.

Weve just done our second dose of an initial herd vaccination. Not done it for years but vet opinion was similar to yours