Red tractor warning.

[frederick]

Having half full bottles of medicines ,is that because the full course wasn’t administered or maybe to calves which have a lower dose

Why would a full course result in an empty bottle.
Dosages are dictated by weight and quite often it's not stipulated wether it should be 3 or 4 days

 

[frederick]

Especially when buying engemycin in 250ml farm pack.
May now be a thing of the past.

 

[tr250]

It’s a push by ”control” to have all antibiotics/ antibacterials to be administered be vets.

I often wonder if they did that how many we would loose. I suspect we may not be that far out financially

 

[Farmer Keith]

I was given a 250ml bottle of metacam at the vets last week as they had no 100s in. Will probably last most of the year. Going to get it in individual syringes is hardy going to be practical/cost effective either.

 

[Wesley]

Can you not just have another medicine store for part used bottles that coincidentally only gets used on inspection day? Then just show him the main one...

 

[yin ewe]

I tend to have very little in the medicine cabinet coming up to an inspection, keeps it simple on the day. Yet to have an inspector query why I've not got many antibiotics in there.

 

[Happy at it]

Was under the belief that due to data protection, the details of medicines purchased by farmers cannot be given to red tractor by vet practices is this still not the case?

 

[Bald n Grumpy]

Was under the belief that due to data protection, the details of medicines purchased by farmers cannot be given to red tractor by vet practices is this still not the case?

Certainly used to be true

Just don't have any part bottles in the main medicine cupboard and don't document its use in the main records just keep a note somewhere out of sight for yourself

 

[Tarw Coch]

Was under the belief that due to data protection, the details of medicines purchased by farmers cannot be given to red tractor by vet practices is this still not the case?

RT may not be able to get it direct off the vet practice but they do require a coalition of antibiotics bought, so the farmer has to effectively supply them with a list.
I’m sure some milk contracts also require signing up to letting the milk buyer see your vet bills

 

[Dead Rabbits]

It’s got nothing to do with the welfare of the animal or the integrity of the product or production. Complete time waste.

 

[Jdunn55]

Like already mentioned, what about likes of zactran? 100 ml would last forever?! And alamycin etc
Think from now on I shall just put down in the med records I've used the entire bottle in 28 days and then hide the bottle elsewhere and use as and when I want

They aren't going to bloody know any different and it makes 0 difference to the animal.

 

[Farmer Keith]

Red tractor need to rethink this, by enforcing a trivial rule they’re creating a scenario where medicine records are not going accurate and perfectly good antibiotic is going to be thrown away. I thought we were trying to be more sustainable.

 

[In the pit]

Why would a full course result in an empty bottle.
Dosages are dictated by weight and quite often it's not stipulated wether it should be 3 or 4 days

Our vets will also tell us to give a big dose on day one and the inject x amount everyday til bottom is empty
Seems stupid to get bottles bigger than 100 mls unless blanket use on calves or young stock for pneumonia or such like
A lot of vaccines once opened have to be used within a set number of hours/days
And how many of you inject a cow and then use that same needle to stick back in the bottle to inject a different cow and potentionally put crap into the product your using to cure

 

[daveydiesel1]

Just a note of caution. I have just failed and my inspector is currently failing over 50% of his visits.
It turns out that once a seal is broken on antibiotic it is out of date within 28 days. So medicine book checked for first use of batch number and if more than 28 days ago bottle shouldn't have been there regardless of date on label.
Had a bottle of synulox catch me out.

Lesson learnt.

How about clearing out your medicine cupboard before inspection leaving just a few bottles in it that is correct according to the medicine book

 

[Tarw Coch]

How about clearing out your medicine cupboard before inspection leaving just a few bottles in it that is correct according to the medicine book

What’s to stop the RT inspector going further back in your medicine book and cross referencing what’s used against what’s bought as you have to have a coalition of antibiotics bought.

I might not like RT but I don’t think they’re complete idiots,

 

[Bald n Grumpy]

What's to stop you having a container in your medicine cupboard for part used/ out of date things but clearly marked DO NOT USE AWAITING DISPOSAL. Even if it's out of date it still needs to be kept safely locked up doesn't it?

 

[daveydiesel1]

What’s to stop the RT inspector going further back in your medicine book and cross referencing what’s used against what’s bought as you have to have a coalition of antibiotics bought.

I might not like RT but I don’t think they’re complete idiots,

Mabe they arent complete idiots. But mabe your not good enough at being fly

 

[Tarw Coch]

Mabe they arent complete idiots. But mabe your not good enough at being fly

That’s a distinct possibility.
Is that what RT boils down to, who can best bullish!t them...............PS I know the answer

 

[boumaticboy]

My writing is so squiggly I can’t even read it so best of luck to the inspectors

 

[steveR]

I was given a 250ml bottle of metacam at the vets last week as they had no 100s in. Will probably last most of the year. Going to get it in individual syringes is hardy going to be practical/cost effective either.

Have you seen it's shelf life once opened......