Rest easy farming folk ....
- Thread starter Yacker
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You are now proving that you are just trolling.
First you complain when there is talk of tariffs being reduced. Now you complain that tariffs are to remain.
Why do you just not confess that you will say anything to attack Brexit, and then the next day say the exact opposite becuase that day it suits your anti-brexit stance.
In respect to the Japanese trade deal "their words not mine"
In respect to Gove "his plans not mine"
This is not trolling "its pointing out rhe bleeding obvious and the conflict of interest within the Tory party"
I am anti brexit and make no bones about it, however my position is not held due to me being fond of the EU (other than freedom of movement) my position is held due to the following groups of people being utterly unable/unwilling to take appropriate actions and commitments post brexit to make it work.
Group A "the powers that be" Government, MPs, Investment Bankers, Venture Capitalists, Dyson, Ineos None of these will invest (in any sense of the word) in enterprise that benefits the ordinary joe.
Group B "just fix it" all those people who just want to be made "happy" as they are currently "unhappy" but dont want to work, learn, contribute more in return.
Group C "takers" all those people who want to "take" more for the same effort (includes elements of A + B)
Then we have
Group D "makers" people who make jobs, tax, goods and services - have to put up with A and support B + C (and stop in the UK)
Just for ref. this "troll" is a D..
I may be an aggravating git though....
In respect to Gove "his plans not mine"
This is not trolling "its pointing out rhe bleeding obvious and the conflict of interest within the Tory party"
I am anti brexit and make no bones about it, however my position is not held due to me being fond of the EU (other than freedom of movement) my position is held due to the following groups of people being utterly unable/unwilling to take appropriate actions and commitments post brexit to make it work.
Group A "the powers that be" Government, MPs, Investment Bankers, Venture Capitalists, Dyson, Ineos None of these will invest (in any sense of the word) in enterprise that benefits the ordinary joe.
Group B "just fix it" all those people who just want to be made "happy" as they are currently "unhappy" but dont want to work, learn, contribute more in return.
Group C "takers" all those people who want to "take" more for the same effort (includes elements of A + B)
Then we have
Group D "makers" people who make jobs, tax, goods and services - have to put up with A and support B + C (and stop in the UK)
Just for ref. this "troll" is a D..
I may be an aggravating git though....
I would personally prefer a 0% tariff on all goods and services, it would benefit me, my family and my business significantly.
I would also like to see VAT and Corporation Tax halved, supported by ALL businesses paying their tax liabilities.
I would like to see income tax set at 20% and the removal of all tax allowances (and benefits should be taxed)
I would like the minimum wage set at £10 (outside London)
I would like all employees to be part of a profit share scheme.
Not what most people would view as a socialist pitch but none of the above will happen due to the built in "protectionism" at all levels of business and life in the UK
I would also like to see VAT and Corporation Tax halved, supported by ALL businesses paying their tax liabilities.
I would like to see income tax set at 20% and the removal of all tax allowances (and benefits should be taxed)
I would like the minimum wage set at £10 (outside London)
I would like all employees to be part of a profit share scheme.
Not what most people would view as a socialist pitch but none of the above will happen due to the built in "protectionism" at all levels of business and life in the UK
- Location
- Scottish Highlands
Can the country’s books be balanced at that though? I’m not convinced it would. It would certainly drive more and more people to work through limited companies, to half their tax bill.
And if I could ask, what is your business that would thrive at 0% tarrif? Agriculture would die in that case, I think.
wanton dwarf
Member
As I said before you are generalising about "Food".
The UK doesn't produce all kinds of "Food" .. that which the UK does produce will have tariffs placed on imports. This will increase local production which helps the environment and UK jobs.
All other foods which the UK does imports can have the EU tariffs reduced .. for example on Oranges, Bananas, Avocados etc.
- Location
- Lincolnshire.
I am not an economist. Economic growth is based on trade and specialisation therefore as an economic "island" the UK's growth would be lower than the rest of the trading globe. Of course if your key objectives are not economic growth this may not matter to you. IMO without trade the UK would very quickly be unable to purchase the things we want. I don't think Gove is proposing protection for farmers forever, he has said many times that he favours a staged withdrawal from the EU, which I take to mean he is eventually sees Britain as a low tariff economy in everything. As long as this doesn't compromise his personal ambition of course.
Farmer1001
Member
And you are being too simplistic - the UK consume a lot of "lamb" but produce a lot of "lambs", the Uk imports a lot of "beef" but export a lot of "beef", the UK exports a lot of "dairy" but import a lot of "dairy". So how do you deal with the complexities of consumer demand V production in these areas - do you expect consumers to change their demand habits? NZ have 20 different markets for "a lamb" as consumers tastes vary, ie the UK eat a lot of legs and the US a lot of racks. So do you put tariffs on lamb legs but not racks to ensure we only eat UK legs but keep our exports for racks?
Hindsight
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- Location
- Lincolnshire
Shame we have such an open market economy. If we were Cuba or N Korea or the old Soviet then it would be a case of - your choice is UK lamb, or UK lamb, or UK lamb. Leg shoulder whatever, but UK lamb. We see it most with car manufacture. UK has been producing loads of cars - for export, while UK consumer likes German cars. And the arrangment of EU customs union and single market allows for that flexibility. But not now. Hey ho. such fun to watch
Farmer1001
Member
Don’t get me wrong, the current system of subs and market access has lead us to be somewhat lazy in our promotion and marketing to our “internal UK market”, however the driver in the market is (as you point out) consumer demand, not idealism.
Brexit was never about no trade. In fact it was the opposite according to JRM’s book of thoughts.
Essentially two thinks we’re to have happened within hours of declaration of article 50.
1. The EU would immediately “brick” themselves, Angela Merkel would fly to London and sign a free trade deal with UK within hours of article 50.
2. The rest of the world would form an orderly queue outside Liam Fox’s office and sign trade deals (all vastly favourable to UK of course).
Seems so long ago now, since those hazy crazy days of the summer of 2016. The summer of Brexit.
Essentially two thinks we’re to have happened within hours of declaration of article 50.
1. The EU would immediately “brick” themselves, Angela Merkel would fly to London and sign a free trade deal with UK within hours of article 50.
2. The rest of the world would form an orderly queue outside Liam Fox’s office and sign trade deals (all vastly favourable to UK of course).
Seems so long ago now, since those hazy crazy days of the summer of 2016. The summer of Brexit.
Cheap food at the cost of the environment is only cheap once, to be fair to Gove and his high brow environmental policies they are for longer term benefit and because of this they are going to cost, and so undermining with cheap food lacking environmental credentials needs to be balanced. Other wise we may as well say duck it and just carry on screwing the planet in the pursuit of cheap food until we go bang.
which way is the wind blowing today cos gove says something different each time it changes o depending who he is talking to, someone who has met him on a few occasions told me that
wanton dwarf
Member
The consistent Co-operative failures due to corruption and greed has led UK farmers to be cynical and look after their own.
Subs & market access are irrelevant if you don't even have a product on the shelves.
As a product moves up the chain to the consumer the profits increase 10 fold and more .. QED.
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- Limousin
For the UK consumer to be satisfied it almost always has to come from overseas, they won't even eat UK fish FGS.
Devil's advocate
Member
- Location
- Posh side of Barnsley
For the UK consumer to be satisfied it almost always has to come from overseas, they won't even eat UK fish FGS.
Can't like that, but agree with your analsis.
Devil's advocate
Member
- Location
- Posh side of Barnsley
Rees Mogg is extremely anti tariffs on food.
How about caulie which is harvested Lincs in December, Cornwall Jan/Mar & Kent?lincs till early June then Lincs/Lancs for the main late June to Xmas season. But French crop is brought in during difficult periods of weather. Our surplus may be exported to Northern Europe when required. We need trade.