rhi audit

[Doing it for the kids]

If the systems are totally separate hydraulically then yes.

If there is any potential for any area to receive heating from both fuel types then you need separate RHI approved heat meters.

They will get v upset if they find anything

 

[farmerfred86]

It passed the verification process... We're never going to use it again so perhaps we should remove the thing before any hassle!

 

[Bernt]

As DIFTK says, there need to be no chance of the heat meter receiving heat from the oil boiler. easiest way is to separate with a plate exchanger.

 

[farmerfred86]

They are separated by a plate exchanger and 135m of pipe. You would have to be mad to try it anyway it would cost a fortune to run the meter!

 

[Doing it for the kids]

They are separated by a plate exchanger and 135m of pipe. You would have to be mad to try it anyway it would cost a fortune to run the meter!

You would be surprised - run the boiler on tractor diseal!

If you have a HX though you will be fine

 

[Bruce Almighty]

We kept all our existing cooker boilers and we have heat exchangers and heat meters reading the return temperature.
If you used both systems at the same time you would be losing out as you would be raising your return temperature, as well high cost of doing it.

 

[warksfarmer]

There is no way you could rely on a biomass boiler solely so existing heat system must be left in place with switch over valves should it be needed. Running a biomass boiler is no different to having some livestock because you've got to check it morning and night and then be around 'when' it stops because it will have issues at some point. 90% of these will be fuel supply related whether its something simple like bridging in the feed hopper or a foreign object has blocked an auger. These things happen and will continue to happen.

I can't understand why anybody would want to put a meter anywhere other than next to the boiler itself. Your monitoring water temperature out and then back in again so putting a meter next to part of the end use does not make sense as you will have some heat loss at that point depending on the run from the boiler to the end use and then back out the end use again is pointless because you want that reading back where the boiler is. Obviously everybody's system is positioned to suit the situation though.

 

[akaPABLO01]

They only pay to heat qualifying usage not heat loss along 100m runs of pipe for example.

If you have back up boilers or boilers left in situ these need metering and then deducting from your heat meter generation on biomass.

 

[Half Pipe]

they ok with pipe runs in buildings, its external piping they don't pay for losses,
from memory they slow a small percentage of underground pipe

 

[warksfarmer]

They only pay to heat qualifying usage not heat loss along 100m runs of pipe for example.

If you have back up boilers or boilers left in situ these need metering and then deducting from your heat meter generation on biomass.

Its the same thing though really isn't it. 90 degrees out, 70 degrees back = rhi

 

[akaPABLO01]

Northern Ireland has made a mockery of the system. 2017 will see full RHI overhaul in GB. Ofgem are known to change goal posts developing new criteria. There'll be a lot of frustration experienced soon.

 

[warksfarmer]

Northern Ireland has made a mockery of the system. 2017 will see full RHI overhaul in GB. Ofgem are known to change goal posts developing new criteria. There'll be a lot of frustration experienced soon.

You are probably right, especially when you read on other threads people heating sheds to keep sprayers warm. Surely its all about genuine heat requirement which is either where people are living or working during the winter months, the drying of crops or for some livestock such as poultry.

 

[cowboysupper]

You are probably right, especially when you read on other threads people heating sheds to keep sprayers warm. Surely its all about genuine heat requirement which is either where people are living or working during the winter months, the drying of crops or for some livestock such as poultry.

Unfortunately there are a few people not using the RHI for genuine reasons and this is tarring us all with the same brush. RHI abuse is a big story over in Northern Ireland at the minute. The media is all over it.

 

[D14]

Unfortunately there are a few people not using the RHI for genuine reasons and this is tarring us all with the same brush. RHI abuse is a big story over in Northern Ireland at the minute. The media is all over it.

Any links? What are they doing?

 

[akaPABLO01]

Any links? What are they doing?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-38301428

 

[cowboysupper]

Any links? What are they doing?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-politics-38312906

Major major scandal over here. Surprised it hasn't been picked up by national news.

 

[idgni]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b08402bs/spotlight-06122016

 

[cowboysupper]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b08402bs/spotlight-06122016

I thought spotlight was fairly balanced. Outlined that RHI in principle has good objectives and that businesses are using it for genuine reasons. However it is open to unscrupulous behaviour because Goverment did not put in place mechanisms to prevent abuse of the RHI.

They visit a garden centre in the show who installed biomass for the right reasons. I think we need more example like that to show the positives of biomass and why businesses need alternative fuel sources to counter rising fossil fuel prices. Abuse of the scheme should however not be tolerated.

 

[Bruce Almighty]

You are probably right, especially when you read on other threads people heating sheds to keep sprayers warm. Surely its all about genuine heat requirement which is either where people are living or working during the winter months, the drying of crops or for some livestock such as poultry.

In my opinion, claiming RHI to dry green / wet wood to burn to claim RHI is an abuse of the system

 

[dannewhouse]

In my opinion, claiming RHI to dry green / wet wood to burn to claim RHI is an abuse of the system

I thought you couldn't only dry your own wood you had to do it as a business? and then you could dry your own as well?