Riding the storm

[Kevtherev]

The U.K. Dairy industry is hopefully recovering now.
All talk now is turning to brexit hard exit and the risk to the uk livestock industry.The sheep sector being the most talked about at the moment.
Are we going to face even tougher times or will something better be formed post Brexit???

 

[gone up the hill]

At this time no one can say with certainty either way but we MUST remain positive in the coming 12/18 months until the picture becomes a lot clearer either way.


Talking the sheep trade down will mean it will end up on the floor regardless of a good or bad brexit deal for UK farmers.

 

[Kevtherev]

The milk price has gone up from what I'm hearing not sure by how much I'm also pretty certain subs in some form will still be paid to farmers/landowners but more environmentally linked?

 

[Kevtherev]

@neilo

 

[gone up the hill]

The milk price has gone up from what I'm hearing not sure by how much I'm also pretty certain subs in some form will still be paid to farmers/landowners but more environmentally linked?

Direct subs as they stand need to be carried on in the present form until 2025, after that and when things become much clearer ( ref tariffs etc ) the opposite may be the case.

 

[Kevtherev]

@GTB swap sheep for trees?

 

[Old Boar]

Butter has gone up 13% this week in the supermarket. I was told this is because there is a shortage of milk. If the average consumer has to pay more for basics like this, there will soon be mutterings, so maybe the price to the farmer will rise again?

 

[multi power]

Direct subs as they stand need to be carried on in the present form until 2025, after that and when things become much clearer ( ref tariffs etc ) the opposite may be the case.

Why? The sooner they are finished with the better

 

[gone up the hill]

Why? The sooner they are finished with the better

So you think wiping 1.5 billion off the British rural economy is a good thing??

Say subs go in 2020, lamb prices drop 50% ( anything is possible ) input prices are 20% higher than today, what do you think will happen?? 90% of farms will go bust, what is needed is a period of stability when we leave the EU and subs will give farms the time to adapt when they know what the new trade tariffs etc are and then have hard facts to plan ahead with.

 

[GTB]

@GTB swap sheep for trees?

I might have to. Millions of marginal acres were planted in the last century. It could well happen again. I certainly hope not.

I wonder if you can still get a Glastir grant to plant trees? They have been paying a fee for maintaining newly planted woodland for 15 to 20 yrs IIRC. I somehow doubt they're still committing themselves to agreements that are that long?

 

[GTB]

Why? The sooner they are finished with the better

Hill farms cannot survive without subs of some sort, especially if beef and lamb prices tumble. Milk and arable might be able to continue.

 

[Kevtherev]

There is a grant available I was told but unsure what it entails

 

[GTB]

There is a grant available I was told but unsure what it entails

Yes I know it's still 'available' but are they actually signing off on any agreements? I doubt it.

 

[milkloss]

At this time no one can say with certainty either way but we MUST remain positive in the coming 12/18 months until the picture becomes a lot clearer either way.


Talking the sheep trade down will mean it will end up on the floor regardless of a good or bad brexit deal for UK farmers.

Does this 'talking the trade up/down' actually have any effect? The biggest talking the trade up was bunches like the NFU/fw suggesting world pop was going up, all these mouths to feed etc etc and they were wrong. Lot of dairy boys especially got hit, arable job lost its shine.

What we need is realism not jibber jabber. If the trade is going down, and it looks like it, then farmers should be encouraged to adjust their business to suit and have guidance. Or is it a case of the fact that the troughs are still lined up so let's have a nosh whilst we can?

 

[Col555]

 

[mark perego]

There's nothing to fear whilst we have the likes of HCC and Eblex negotiating for us

 

[An Gof]

There's nothing to fear whilst we have the likes of HCC and Eblex negotiating for us

Keep up, EBLEX is history
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[Chae1]

Farmers on tff have been saying the ag industry is doomed for as long as I can remember. They are all still farming as far as I'm aware.

 

[Hilly]

Hill farms cannot survive without subs of some sort, especially if beef and lamb prices tumble. Milk and arable might be able to continue.

Always hill farms aint it, im a hill farmer i reckon i could stand a depression better than most sectors, it wouldnt take much for me to reduce to collie and stick others wouldnt know where to start with that and when the financed tractor has sh!t its pants and no money to repiar and no skills to fix it they are gone .

 

[Hilly]

Farmers on tff have been saying the ag industry is doomed for as long as I can remember. They are all still farming as far as I'm aware.

And on another page oe wanting advice on investing 200k, it not all bad.