Roundup and cancer the IARC Report

[Exfarmer]

DDT is in fact of very low risk in real terms to mammals including humans except at very high doses over prolonged periods.
It was banned solely due to its impact on birds particularly those at the high end of the food chain such as birds of prey.
There are also concerns about its long term survival and thus build up in marine situations

 

[Robigus]

There is a witch hunt against Roundup - as opposed to glyphosate! - it is part of the anti GM campaign. They can't win a scientific argument against GM as there isn't one. But some of the the first GM crops are Monsanto's glyphosate tolerant ones and Roundup is Monsanto's glyphosate so they have orchestrated a smear campaign against that.

 

[Cowabunga]

You are just a youngster, you dont remember the 70,s when couch grass was everywhere.
Osr counts as a " cereal" too.
Before roundup, land had to be fallowed for a yr to clean up the couch. Then a grass break and swedes etc.
That fairly knocked wheat production.
Blackgrass is the new couch, requiring all remedies above.

So because it works well and allows for lower food prices for the world's population, it should be banned? I think I've heard it all now.

 

[glasshouse]

So because it works well and allows for lower food prices for the world's population, it should be banned? I think I've heard it all now.

It might be good for those that want cheap food, but not for the poor sods that grow it.

 

[Cowabunga]

It might be good for those that want cheap food, but not for the poor sods that grow it.

Its good for everyone and the environment and energy conservation.

Its embarrassing to see that your view is totally focussed on damning the increased productivity and efficiency which is implicit in your argument, lowering the price of food for all, but rather refreshing to see that it isn't based on some trumped-up imagined safety and human health issue.

 

[Kidds]

State of California is forcing Monsanto to put a warning label on the product that it could be carcigen.

Your practice of spraying crops off with roundup to ready them for harvesting would put you in jail here.

I have bought penknives on two occasions that came with a note saying they are thought to cause cancer in California. Just ordinary penknives.
I am in no way trying to defend glyphosate or Monsanto but the fact that Ca is doing this doesn't mean a right lot.

ps. pre harvest Roundup is a bad practice in my opinion.

 

[DrWazzock]

So what's more dangerous? Pre harvest glyphosate residue or products of diesel or gas fuel combustion that get into grain as it passes through the grain drier?

I use glyphosate to reduce encroachment of bracken onto our our farm from adjacent forestry plantation where it is out of control. Bracken is thought to be carcinogenic. Therefore glyphosate is anti carcinogenic!

 

[Kidds]

It is not a question of what is more dangerous. We are talking about foodstuff, it shouldn't be contaminated with anything dangerous.

 

[Cropper]

So what's more dangerous? Pre harvest glyphosate residue or products of diesel or gas fuel combustion that get into grain as it passes through the grain drier?

Oh no don't start that one or FA will be insisting we all have to change our grain driers!

 

[SilliamWhale]

It is not a question of what is more dangerous. We are talking about foodstuff, it shouldn't be contaminated with anything dangerous.

What about the fungicide application then? Particularly t3? What about mocap.on spuds and any sprays on lettuce etc.?

 

[Robigus]

It is not a question of what is more dangerous. We are talking about foodstuff, it shouldn't be contaminated with anything dangerous.

I think the point is that the science shows that glyphosate isn't dangerous. That is the point of the opening post, and all the independent peer reviewed examinations of it. Of the manymillions of new cases of cancer around the world each year not one has ever been linked to glyphosate.

 

[Muck Spreader]

I think the point is that the science shows that glyphosate isn't dangerous. That is the point of the opening post, and all the independent peer reviewed examinations of it. Of the manymillions of new cases of cancer around the world each year not one has ever been linked to glyphosate.

I think it unwise to say it isn't dangerous, most things can be in the right (wrong) circumstances. Glyhposate is a very safe* chemical when used as originally designed with no detectable residue entering the food chain. This changed with the introduction of RR crops that could be receiving up to 6 or 7 sprays some within days of being harvested and it's growing use as a desiccant. This brought all the antis and bunnyhuggers on to our backs and will end up getting the chemical banned if we aren't careful.
* Whether it kills soil bacteria etc is another argument altogether.

 

[Robigus]

I think it unwise to say it isn't dangerous, most things can be in the right (wrong) circumstances. Glyhposate is a very safe* chemical when used as originally designed with no detectable residue entering the food chain. This changed with the introduction of RR crops that could be receiving up to 6 or 7 sprays some within days of being harvested and it's growing use as a desiccant. This brought all the antis and bunnyhuggers on to our backs and will end up getting the chemical banned if we aren't careful.
* Whether it kills soil bacteria etc is another argument altogether.

I think it is unwise to say it is dangerous when there is no evidence to support it.

All things are relative and we know that British sunlight is the principle cause of many thousands of new cases of cancer in the UK every year. We can say with absolute certainty that glyphosate is far, far safer than just going out side in the UK.

 

[SilliamWhale]

I think it unwise to say it isn't dangerous, most things can be in the right (wrong) circumstances. Glyhposate is a very safe* chemical when used as originally designed with no detectable residue entering the food chain. This changed with the introduction of RR crops that could be receiving up to 6 or 7 sprays some within days of being harvested and it's growing use as a desiccant. This brought all the antis and bunnyhuggers on to our backs and will end up getting the chemical banned if we aren't careful.
* Whether it kills soil bacteria etc is another argument altogether.

Everything is dangerous in the wrong circumstances. Potentially. We're not talking about drinking it