Safety When Maintaining Buildings

[tomjh087]

Hi,

I'm currently carrying out my A-level non examined assessment coursework and as a part of this we need to carry out market research in order to be able to assess the viability of my product.

I would ideally like to create a man crate that is fold-able for storage when its not in use.

I have created a survey which can be accessed by clicking on the link below. I would really appreciate if you could find the time to complete it as your views would be very valuable, it should only take a few minutes.

Market Research into Safety on Farms

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Thank you in advance.

Tom

 

[Doing it for the kids]

A design sketch may be helpful.

remeber farms have space, folding things up may compromise safety, strength and increase cost.

id like a man cage With a hatch in the floor so you can work on say a roof fixing directly below you rather than leaning out the side.

how ever you do this it’s tricky short of netting roofs before hand.

id argue that the existing man cages on the market do the job, think you may be re inventing the wheel?

 

[spanners and hammers]

been done seen then on the market already

 

[Tarw Coch]

As said , space really isn’t at a premium for storage of a man basket, it takes up relatively little space and has no real need to be kept indoors.
Making one foldable will only add to production costs and may compromise strength and safety, if there is a market for what is bound to be a more expensive product than the many rigid variations that are currently on the market it will be very small.

 

[tomjh087]

A design sketch may be helpful.

remeber farms have space, folding things up may compromise safety, strength and increase cost.

id like a man cage With a hatch in the floor so you can work on say a roof fixing directly below you rather than leaning out the side.

how ever you do this it’s tricky short of netting roofs before hand.

id argue that the existing man cages on the market do the job, think you may be re inventing the wheel?

Thanks for your feedback,

The point of the NEA is to challenge myself and i believe that trying to find a way to make a man crate fold would do this. i am thinking of using a "Mortise and tenon style joint" so that it can be theoretically flat packed i am going to be doing testing on this so that i can verify that it is strong enough. I did a quick sketch to show what i mean by this.

 

[Doing it for the kids]

I am sure it will work but I can’t see the point in having it flat pack.

no farmer would want this, we have space and wont want to faff about building it

 

[Tomtrac]

Sorry but as above plenty off room to store
Joints get rusty anddont fit easy and it may rattle
Places i worked have sold baskets and gone back to ladder because if loader is used as manlift it needs testing alongwith basket every 6months so save money and get rid so back to ladders
Stupid if you ask me
May i sugest You would be better off designing a man basket were its possible to open up the front to work on a roof or similair rather than work over the top off the front of basket
Still being secure by a lanyard etc

 

[grainboy]

Having had an HSE inspection on site the other week, after not so friendly neighbour to the site we are working on complained to them,
According to the HSE. No man baskets on any Telehandler, only on counterbalance forklift,
No point in arguing with him, but that’s not how I perceive the regulations.

 

[Doing it for the kids]

Having had an HSE inspection on site the other week, after not so friendly neighbour to the site we are working on complained to them,
According to the HSE. No man baskets on any Telehandler, only on counterbalance forklift,
No point in arguing with him, but that’s not how I perceive the regulations.

makes you mad doesn’t it.

paid for the Nfu to look around recently and was told so long as LOLER is up together it should be fine

different day, different answer ?

 

[RWG Contracts]

Having had an HSE inspection on site the other week, after not so friendly neighbour to the site we are working on complained to them,
According to the HSE. No man baskets on any Telehandler, only on counterbalance forklift,
No point in arguing with him, but that’s not how I perceive the regulations.

If you can control the telehandler from the basket you can use them. But that’s the only time

 

[grainboy]

Oh okay, thought that was only on Telehandler 7 m and above,
I stand corrected,
But not many if any on farm, can be controlled from basket, I very much doubt,

Be back on site Thursday, no doubt said friendly neighbour will kick off again,
What I find annoying is we are taking down an unpleasant looking deteriorated farm, to be replaced with yes new development, but that will improve his view and surroundings.

 

[Tomtrac]

Had many jcb tm 300 pivot loadalls tested by nfu
I was led to believe only side arm type handlers could use basket as you can lock out the tip crowd leaver so you cannot tip man in basket out just operate up down and tely controls
Best thing ever for cleaning gutters etc instead off being up ladder with bucket etc

 

[grainboy]

What do you class as side arm type ?
Yes I have the anti tilt lock pin engaged.

 

[David.]

To be honest it is so easy to get a Nifty dropped in the yard for a week for £300, I never bother with anything else any more. Can do a lot of saved up jobs in a week.

 

[milkloss]

The rules are that man cages can only be used for emergency operations. They cannot be used for operations that could be planned for or are routine. Once You've cracked that then worry about crowd lock out etc.

Then there's this text in the hse book:
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MEWP operators should have attended a recognised operator training course and received a certificate, card or ‘licence’, listing the categories of MEWP the bearer is trained to operate.
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How firm are they on the 'should' if you were hiring one?

 

[Tomtrac]

What do you class as side arm type ?
Yes I have the anti tilt lock pin engaged.

Not a pivot steer center boom like we used
A loadall with boom along side cab and cab off to one side
Seems a lot off diferent laws flying around
Also if you go in one you need to have a harness and lanyard on at all times

 

[Highland Mule]

Having had an HSE inspection on site the other week, after not so friendly neighbour to the site we are working on complained to them,
According to the HSE. No man baskets on any Telehandler, only on counterbalance forklift,
No point in arguing with him, but that’s not how I perceive the regulations.

makes you mad doesn’t it.

paid for the Nfu to look around recently and was told so long as LOLER is up together it should be fine

different day, different answer ?

If you can control the telehandler from the basket you can use them. But that’s the only time

Oh okay, thought that was only on Telehandler 7 m and above,
I stand corrected,
But not many if any on farm, can be controlled from basket, I very much doubt,

Be back on site Thursday, no doubt said friendly neighbour will kick off again,
What I find annoying is we are taking down an unpleasant looking deteriorated farm, to be replaced with yes new development, but that will improve his view and surroundings.

Doesn't affect me, so I'm not volunteering, but wouldn't it be better to read the regulations and then know what the correct position is? These things are all available to find online, and a quick chat with a friendly HSE officer would give you a guide on where to look. They will be speaking from their interpretation, and you from the strict letter of the law - which you can then use to defend your actions as appropriate.

 

[TheTallGuy]

https://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/pm28.htm#

 

[Highland Mule]

https://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/pm28.htm#

It’s a good start, but it’s not actual legislation. That’s a Guidance document of HSE expectations - if you know better (and can prove that you have thought about it and do actually know better - because technology has moved on, different circumstances apply, other safety controls are in place, best practice isn’t physically possible or has other safety risk etc. ), you can do otherwise provided you remain within the law. Simply, this is HSE’s default best practice, not the law.