Sam 3

[onthehoof]

Thinking I'd like to reseed some permanent pasture with Sam3 herbal ley, but assume that I will need an EIA, was arable until 2002 when it went into arable reversion

 

[Derrick Hughes]

Was that SW7
If so how long was the agreement
I can't see anything that states you can't return to cropping at the end of the agreement

 

[onthehoof]

Was that SW7
If so how long was the agreement
I can't see anything that states you can't return to cropping at the end of the agreement

Higher Level Stewardship, currently in HK15 maintenance of grassland for target features

 

[spin cycle]

if it was arable reversion they might be a bit 'twitchy'...be interested on how it went if you tried

 

[Derrick Hughes]

Thinking I'd like to reseed some permanent pasture with Sam 3 herbal ley, but assume that I will need an EIA, was arable until 2002 when it went into arable reversion

I've tried to come to a conclusion on the discussion here , but decided it may be better if you have a read yourself lol

Ploughing up arable reversion

I do not find it clear at all. Certainly what you say is logical and what I would expect but elsewhere I hear that NE make their own rules up and in my case it may be considered that I have an exemplary farm with all the environmental improvements we have made, and they may issue an...

thefarmingforum.co.uk

 

[onthehoof]

I've tried to come to a conclusion on the discussion here , but decided it may be better if you have a read yourself lol

Ploughing up arable reversion

I do not find it clear at all. Certainly what you say is logical and what I would expect but elsewhere I hear that NE make their own rules up and in my case it may be considered that I have an exemplary farm with all the environmental improvements we have made, and they may issue an...

thefarmingforum.co.uk

Wonder if it makes a difference if its going back into grass, and a herbal ley is surely better than the crap it currently is

 

[neilo]

Wonder if it makes a difference if its going back into grass, and a herbal ley is surely better than the crap it currently is

Have you spent the last 22 years declaring that you haven't 'cultivated' (ie sprayed, fertilised, harrowed) it? If so, you may have turned it into habitat land.

Is that not what has happened in the 'NE knows best' sticky thread?

 

[Derrick Hughes]

Wonder if it makes a difference if its going back into grass, and a herbal ley is surely better than the crap it currently is

The issue is can you cultivate it not what you sow
It's my belief that you can but I have nothing to prove that statement
How long was the agreement for ,if its for a fixed term then that's it ,you have signed nothing to prove anything different

 

[Derrick Hughes]

Are you all going to stick with this or use your own interpretation off

It will usually include at least:

5 species of grass, such as cocksfoot, festulolium, meadow fescue, perennial ryegrass, smooth-stalked meadow grass, tall fescue and timothy

3 species of legumes, such as bird’s-foot-trefoil, lucerne, red clover, sainfoin winter vetch and common vetch, and black medick

5 species of herbs, such as burnet, chicory, ribwort plantain and yarrow

 

[Derrick Hughes]

For info
Seed merchants seem to be sticking with the 5 -3-5 mix , will refuse to give a bag label stamped SAM 3 if its not that , just a normal contents label

 

[Regenerator1]

Lots of sales going on for SFI?

 

[Billboy1]

can i just stich a sam 3 in to an existing pasture and would i be best to do it in july after taking my one cut of hay or simply do it now when it IF it drys up ?

 

[Derrick Hughes]

can i just stich a sam 3 in to an existing pasture and would i be best to do it in july after taking my one cut of hay or simply do it now when it IF it drys up ?

You can but don't get caught out with the need for 5 grass species, look what you have and add what you don't
As for overseeding, there is a process you need to follow , if you you don't there is a good chance it won't work, your main issue is the old grass growing back ,if that closes the light out on the new seedlings before fully developed they won't survive

 

[YELROM]

For info
Seed merchants seem to be sticking with the 5 -3-5 mix , will refuse to give a bag label stamped SAM 3 if its not that , just a normal contents label

It is annoying that they change the rules, I sowed a supposed sam3 ley in august when the rules were to do a mix of grass,legumes and herbs so only sowed 2 of each variety which now won’t be eligible for sam3

 

[Derrick Hughes]

It is annoying that they change the rules, I sowed a supposed sam3 ley in august when the rules were to do a mix of grass,legumes and herbs so only sowed 2 of each variety which now won’t be eligible for sam3

Can you not overseed a few things into it

 

[YELROM]

Can you not overseed a few things into it

I could do but as the rules were when I did it it complied,now I have to start over seeding or drilling more seeds

 

[pom]

It is annoying that they change the rules, I sowed a supposed sam3 ley in august when the rules were to do a mix of grass,legumes and herbs so only sowed 2 of each variety which now won’t be eligible for sam3

Have I missed something . Thought it was a mix of 2 grass ,2clover,2herbs

 

[e3120]

How does this all fit if you choose to maintain an existing herbal ley? I don't like the direction of travel, which is best described as money for seed labels.

The aim is a varied root structure. It's much recited here that the aim is the only requirement of SFI. Accordingly, the only evidence should be an upturned sod.

 

[slackjawedyokel]

Would this seed mix be compliant and if not what should I be adding this year?
I was going to add some yarrow back in. Maybe also some trefoil or something, as vetch doesn’t persist past the first year.

 

[redsloe]

It is annoying that they change the rules, I sowed a supposed sam3 ley in august when the rules were to do a mix of grass,legumes and herbs so only sowed 2 of each variety which now won’t be eligible for sam3

I've done the same. I won't be tinkering with it on a whim after establishment.