SAM2 Multi-species cover crop

[AlphaBravoPapaSux]

As far as I understand the rules for the above. I am entitled to spin some beans into my winter barley at drilling, leave them in until the spring, and claim for the £129/hectare.
Has anyone clarified this with the higher powers by any chance? It seems like a no brainer

 

[redsloe]

As far as I understand the rules for the above. I am entitled to spin some beans into my winter barley at drilling, leave them in until the spring, and claim for the £129/hectare.
Has anyone clarified this with the higher powers by any chance? It seems like a no brainer

That's not a cover crop unless you replant in the spring. Your more companion cropping, that's £55/ha.

 

[B'o'B]

That's not a cover crop unless you replant in the spring. Your more companion cropping, that's £55/ha.

It appears to fully meet the requirements of over winter multi species cover crop as defined in the SFI handbook.

 

[4course]

As far as I understand the rules for the above. I am entitled to spin some beans into my winter barley at drilling, leave them in until the spring, and claim for the £129/hectare.
Has anyone clarified this with the higher powers by any chance? It seems like a no brainer

presuming you are making an effort to sow the crop i.e by not just spreading beans on top my reading is youve tried and can then destroy the beans or alternatively the barley on or after the 1st march similar to what we are thinking re stubble turmips and a cereal mix, then actually sow a spring crop either say beans or cereal. As I see it its a sow 2 together in aug/sept and destroy 1 or tother in spring either in march or earlier if aiming on sowing a spring crop after cultivation either of which appear to fulfill the aims but who knows ive rung defra and asked and the responses are ......".its up to you looks ok"which isnt ideal but if they dont get a move on will be too late for this year though a trial plot might help us for next if still on the cards

 

[Billboy1]

none of it is very clear cut is it , what a bloody shambles

 

[Billboy1]

it says you can't put fert or manure on it ? is this just leading up to winter kill or does it include if you keep the barley after so many questions and clarification needed !

 

[Mixedupfarmer]

As far as I understand the rules for the above. I am entitled to spin some beans into my winter barley at drilling, leave them in until the spring, and claim for the £129/hectare.
Has anyone clarified this with the higher powers by any chance? It seems like a no brainer

I asked Janet on here and she said it was fine, although you would have to make a bit more effort than spinning them in to the crop ( spin on in front of drill?) to try to get enough to grow?

 

[Zippy768]

Presumably off the heap beans? How does that work with the seed police?

 

[Clive]

I asked Janet on here and she said it was fine, although you would have to make a bit more effort than spinning them in to the crop ( spin on in front of drill?) to try to get enough to grow?

that answer was in relation to ipm3 i think ( companion crop) not sam 2. ?

 

[Mixedupfarmer]

that answer was in relation to ipm3 i think ( companion crop) not sam 2. ?

The original question and Janet’s answer was about sam2 multispeciee winter cover.

 

[4course]

it says you can't put fert or manure on it ? is this just leading up to winter kill or does it include if you keep the barley after so many questions and clarification needed !

your correct ,the wording is" apply to the crop "its just a case of when the decision was made to establish the crop and after the end of feb the sam 2 is finished

 

[Billboy1]

The original question and Janet’s answer was about sam2 multispeciee winter cover.

 

[Billboy1]

Could it be wheat/ beans ?

 

[Billboy1]

If it can might do continues wheat bean cover and take the wheat to harvest claim the no isecticide as well that way am nearly at bps payment without loosing ground . How’s that for sustainability

 

[4course]

If it can might do continues wheat bean cover and take the wheat to harvest claim the no isecticide as well that way am nearly at bps payment without loosing ground . How’s that for sustainability

seems a reasonable idea , but as soon as they realise what you are trying to do or could do within the rules and guidelines as are written currently they will be altered !!. its a thought that I had not seen was possible as ive been looking at sam2 and using it to help us fatten lambs so thanks a rethink underway , having just re read the bible seems to be worth further thought even better if just adding a brassica ho ho

 

[Mixedupfarmer]

Could it be wheat/ beans ?

See post 10 above

 

[4course]

See post 10 above

no problem its just try your best as you are left to do whatever in a way that works for you and the aim, a few photos and jobs a ( gud en )

 

[redsloe]

it says you can't put fert or manure on it ?

And why is that? Surely better to get FYM on now than in a sh!tty March?

 

[Hindsight]

And why is that? Surely better to get FYM on now than in a sh!tty March?

Farming rules for water that caused such outrage two autumn's ago hasn't gone away. Preference for spring applied manures. No justification for autumn N on cover crops. The fundamental aim of cover crop is to mop up nitrogen and other nutrients to reduce leaching. Adding more N negates this aim. Adding OM is another aim but possibly subordinate. Think broadly about Defras aims and objectives.

 

[Billboy1]

If it can might do continues wheat bean cover and take the wheat to harvest claim the no isecticide as well that way am nearly at bps payment without loosing ground . How’s that for sustainability

Conversely could do osr or beans and so some barley with it then take the barley out in the spring?