Same Rubin 135

[Cristi]

I have a Same Rubin 135 tractor and it's been breaking down lately.
Defects are generally on the electrical side.Now I have a problem with the gearbox.The tractor no longer changes speeds and direction.
But if I turn it off and on again, it works.I have to do this every time I want to change direction.
What could be the problem?Please help!

 

[Cowabunga]

Sincere commiserations. The problem is that it is fuuk'd and the scrapyard is its likely next stop. I'm being half serious. An auto electrician may be able to diagnose an electrical fault but there are very few mechanics with lots of experience repairing these transmissions and their control system. You will be very lucky to find one, certainly in the UK where they didn't sell many and dealers and mechanics have moved on since the days these were new. The importers have also changed and they probably don't have anyone that has a clue, but it's worth asking around.
I do know that local ex-dealers for SDF would not accept a job to repair one of these. Damned sure that a current SDF dealer wouldn't want to know either unless they were paid cash up front. Repairs can cost well in excess of what the tractor is worth.

Best of luck though, you might be lucky.

 

[Cristi]

Sincere commiserations. The problem is that it is fuuk'd and the scrapyard is its likely next stop. I'm being half serious. An auto electrician may be able to diagnose an electrical fault but there are very few mechanics with lots of experience repairing these transmissions and their control system. You will be very lucky to find one, certainly in the UK where they didn't sell many and dealers and mechanics have moved on since the days these were new. The importers have also changed and they probably don't have anyone that has a clue, but it's worth asking around.
I do know that local ex-dealers for SDF would not accept a job to repair one of these. Damned sure that a current SDF dealer wouldn't want to know either unless they were paid cash up front. Repairs can cost well in excess of what the tractor is worth.

Best of luck though, you might be lucky.

I called a mechanic from the Deutz Fahr representative.
He is trying to change the oil filters and the transmission oil. I hope it works

 

[daveydiesel1]

Sincere commiserations. The problem is that it is fuuk'd and the scrapyard is its likely next stop. I'm being half serious. An auto electrician may be able to diagnose an electrical fault but there are very few mechanics with lots of experience repairing these transmissions and their control system. You will be very lucky to find one, certainly in the UK where they didn't sell many and dealers and mechanics have moved on since the days these were new. The importers have also changed and they probably don't have anyone that has a clue, but it's worth asking around.
I do know that local ex-dealers for SDF would not accept a job to repair one of these. Damned sure that a current SDF dealer wouldn't want to know either unless they were paid cash up front. Repairs can cost well in excess of what the tractor is worth.

Best of luck though, you might be lucky.

Are they not similar to a deutz agroton?

 

[Cowabunga]

Are they not similar to a deutz agroton?

No.

 

[MrNuts]

An SDF dealer will be able to help you, some of the remaining SDF UK service staff are 20+ years at SDF and will know this tractor, its transmission is related to the old L series DF that was sold for 2 years back in 2012/13.

 

[Cowabunga]

I called a mechanic from the Deutz Fahr representative.
He is trying to change the oil filters and the transmission oil. I hope it works

I wouldn't waste my money on oil and filters until the fault was diagnosed and repaired. An oil and filter change will not repair it.

 

[Cristi]

I wouldn't waste my money on oil and filters until the fault was diagnosed and repaired. An oil and filter change will not repair it.

The mechanic said that could be the problem because the filters and the oil is old. And because of that, they may not put enough pressure.

 

[Cristi]

An SDF dealer will be able to help you, some of the remaining SDF UK service staff are 20+ years at SDF and will know this tractor, its transmission is related to the old L series DF that was sold for 2 years back in 2012/13.

An SDF dealer will be able to help you, some of the remaining SDF UK service staff are 20+ years at SDF and will know this tractor, its transmission is related to the old L series DF that was sold for 2 years back in 2012/13.

I called a mechanic from NHR (distributor of Deutz and Same)

 

[fendtfiasco]

Are you on the Same,Lamborghini,Hurlimann Facebook page, some people on it really know their way round the older models. I think that's the same transmission as a Same Titan 160/190, Lamborghini Racing. A 27 forward 9 reverse gearbox. Over here in Northern Ireland Hunter Kane & Son or J B Barrett would know their way round them but if its major it could get expensive.

 

[Cowabunga]

The mechanic said that could be the problem because the filters and the oil is old. And because of that, they may not put enough pressure.

I hope he's right. The transmission hold quite a lot of oil, 120 litres if I remember correctly, and is divided into two main oil reservoirs that need refilling separately, 40 litres in the front and the rest filled at the back axle filler point. But first it should be drained properly which involves removing about eight or more drain plugs including one under each rear brake housings which tend to have condensation settle at the bottom.
Personally I'd pump most of the oil out through the spool valves initially, this minimising the amount to be dumped through the drain holes. The filters are not cheap and there are probably three big long ones on one side of the transmission and possibly one more on the back axle.

I'm afraid that I'm not optimistic at a simple oil and filter change getting it back in working order.

 

[Cristi]

I hope he's right. The transmission hold quite a lot of oil, 120 litres if I remember correctly, and is divided into two main oil reservoirs that need refilling separately, 40 litres in the front and the rest filled at the back axle filler point. But first it should be drained properly which involves removing about eight or more drain plugs including one under each rear brake housings which tend to have condensation settle at the bottom.
Personally I'd pump most of the oil out through the spool valves initially, this minimising the amount to be dumped through the drain holes. The filters are not cheap and there are probably three big long ones on one side of the transmission and possibly one more on the back axle.

I'm afraid that I'm not optimistic at a simple oil and filter change getting it back in working order.

The mechanic found that the filters, oil and coils or solenoid valves had to be replaced.

 

[Cristi]

The oil pressure in the gearbox is too low.

 

[daveydiesel1]

The oil pressure in the gearbox is too low.

Mabe the pump is on its way out

 

[Mur Huwcun]

The oil pressure in the gearbox is too low.

It’s most probably not that the pressure is too low but it is leaking too much somewhere and the low pressure side can’t maintain pressure. He needs to get a gauge on it and see what it’s like. Apparently from what I remember some of these can boxes can have the relief valve shimmed up with a few washers to find a bit more pressure. Never seen one though but remember being told about them years ago

 

[Refco]

The oil pressure in the gearbox is too low.

Did you ever get this tractor sorted?

 

[Fred91]

The oil pressure in the gearbox is too low.

Hello A frined of mine have problem on his 135 exactly teh same as you mention. Did the changes of coils or solenoid valves made tit to work? We changed filters and oil but so far still problem.
And alos where is the coils or solenoid valves you mention?

Fred

 

[Cowabunga]

Hello A frined of mine have problem on his 135 exactly teh same as you mention. Did the changes of coils or solenoid valves made tit to work? We changed filters and oil but so far still problem.
And alos where is the coils or solenoid valves you mention?

Fred

If you have a good look around the tractor the placement of the solenoid valves should be quite obvious. They are on top of the transmission.