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chickens and wheat

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What is the definition of 'UK' produced?

Meat plant in NI brings in cattle from a farmer 5 miles away in Ireland and then processes it is it UK or not? That can get very political.
That would be non UK produce, that not politics it's geography.


The politics is the location of the border, but the beef is non UK regardless
 

Spencer

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What is the definition of 'UK' produced?

Meat plant in NI brings in cattle from a farmer 5 miles away in Ireland and then processes it is it UK or not? That can get very political.

Not arguing that beef reared in South America and classed as 'British' as it's packed here is wrong but sorting out the labelling laws is not easy. Coco beans can't be grown here or tea or coffee and that part of the supply chain will something to say about it which is probably where we are.

I think some kind of fair trade scheme. Some unions have been very effective in getting pay rises using forensic accountants. Farmers might be better of having their OWN 'famer friendly' scheme based on the demands the supply chain makes. They could probably do something similar with regulators etc. every famer fills in a survey after a visit. Look at the kick back against the post office / ofsted.
I think that’s already been answered quite well by JP1, but in your instance that would not carry Uk flag as not UK produce. For simplification purposes
 
Maybe we are getting this wrong. Double the Red Tractor fees and spend all the money on a marketing campaign. But...
"If it doesn't have a Red Tractor on it, it's cheap stuff from God knows where, that has been sprayed and injected with God knows what"

That would call out the supermarkets position on the RT board!!


No point at all for Arable crops which are sold at world prices & not sold direct to consumers

Just robbing UK farmers to benefit the already Super Rich
 
That would be non UK produce, that not politics it's geography.


The politics is the location of the border, but the beef is non UK regardless
Personally I'm not offering an opinion. However NI based meat plants and farmers with farms that straddle the border will have an opinion and NI political parties will have very strong opinions about what is British and what isn't becuse their voters do. The supply chain in NI crosses the border multiple times during processing.

I'm not opposed to a black and white policy or saying it cannot be done but there are always unintended consequences.
 
Farmers don’t really want RT gone. Would have been sunk by now if it was true.

it seems they wish to negotiate something out of RT, I’m not sure what. Does anyone know?


Eh ? As an individual farmer who needs to sell our crops what choice do I have but to be in Red Tractor - it's a Scam using a business model the Mafia would be proud of

I want Red Tractor TOTALLY removed from controlling access to UK Markets for UK Farmers - better still it dies
 

Eronce

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Livestock Farmer
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Cheshire
Farmers don’t really want RT gone. Would have been sunk by now if it was true.

it seems they wish to negotiate something out of RT, I’m not sure what. Does anyone know?
Not sure about that, I would say
Majority want it gone,
There’s nothing positive to be had out of it,
20 odd years of it’s existence have shown that.
Maybe farmers haven’t got to the point where they are prepared to physically do something about it yet! As you probably know in many instances it’s a license to farm particularly in dairy and Arable.
it’s more a case we haven’t got the option to be a dairy man and not be in red tractor.
This could potentially change with some momentum gathering or at the very least a major push back on red tractor powers and at the very least chuck the whole GFC thing in the long grass.
A protest at Red Tractor HQ would have no negative effects as far as I can see anyway…
 

neilo

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Montgomeryshire
In that case in my ideal World the front of the supermarket meat pack would have it clearly stated in words; beef raised in Eire, packed in Northern Ireland. The spot which would have a defined flag size with a Union jack for UK would in fact there have two half sized flags Eire and UK. All compulsory sizings , the BRC members funny farm name brand could not conflict with the mandatory information / sizing / position

Why so?
Keep it simple. That beef would be Irish, just the same as Polish beef cut & packed in the UK is still Polish.
Where it's packed or processed is irrelevant to 'country of origin'.
 

JP1

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Livestock Farmer
Why so?
Keep it simple. That beef would be Irish, just the same as Polish beef cut & packed in the UK is still Polish.
Where it's packed or processed is irrelevant to 'country of origin'.
Because currently it could be sides and cut in NI or maybe even the cattle left an Eire farm and killed in NI. I agree if it's all Eire, have one flag and make it clear. Hence my point would be more convoluted with sausages with Southern Irish pigs (for example)
 

JP1

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Livestock Farmer
No. A Union Jack for 100% UK produce. Text for anything else.
You need both but the flag area needs to mandatory e.g. 12% of front pack area. Two countries of origin 6% each, four countries of origin 3% each

Then market and educate the consumer

Maybe even have a flag with a scannable QR code with a statement from an industry body eg AHDB with recipe ideas, health messaging, provenance messaging, carbon sequestration benefits, even a profile of the farmer where it came from la la la

Oh wait, that would take a modicum of enterprise and imagination - we're stuck with a levy body and a trade association (not saying which trades) masquerading as a farmer organisation
 

CornishTone

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BASIS
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Cornwall
Farmers don’t really want RT gone. Would have been sunk by now if it was true.

it seems they wish to negotiate something out of RT, I’m not sure what. Does anyone know?
I beg to differ!

If it provides zero value premium at the farm gate, is paid for by the producer, and imposes standards on UK producers that are not imposed on international producers with access to the UK market, then it is simply a barrier to the domestic market for domestic producers and needs to go. It has zero credibility among the farming community and the public ignore it. It therefore only exists to serve the BRC.
 

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