Scotland beef efficiency scheme

[scholland]

Everyone got there leaflet and diary today? Nice and glossy.
My first impressions are slightly under whelmed, pretty much bench marking and sone form of genomics on the side.
I'd hope most producers would have a fair idea about most of the things that will be recorded already?
A scheme similar to ram compare with bulls would have been interesting.
Hopefully the data that comes out the project proves useful.
And that the website to input the data is simple and actually works.

 

[willie waver]

no, never heard of it, who's it from?

 

[choochter]

don't think I'll be using the diary - already have most of these records in a spreadsheet

it seems to be heavily dependent on weighing calves - how many cattle keepers do that meantime?

sounds interesting, though

 

[Chae1]

We don't weigh our calves at birth. Weigh at weaning. Then again when they go back to grass.

 

[bigw]

Another load of pish to throw money at beef farmers. I see that the beef calf scheme will no longer allow dual purpose dairy breeds, we will be £30k worse off than an equivalent beef farmer. The whole thing is a total arse!!

 

[Chae1]

Another load of pish to throw money at beef farmers. I see that the beef calf scheme will no longer allow dual purpose dairy breeds, we will be £30k worse off than an equivalent beef farmer. The whole thing is a total arse!!

We ll welcome it with open arms! Think it's £30 head.

 

[bigw]

We ll welcome it with open arms! Think it's £30 head.

I know you will you bugger!!

 

[Happy]

Not received anything yet but are there not some pretty mixed messages coming out of QMS at the moment?

On the one hand you have the guy Ashworth saying smaller cattle producing less beef will help balance supply/demand and give better prices. On the other hand they are pushing for everyone to produce higher meat yield through recording genomics.

Who will ultimately benefit from all the information that comes out of it all, Suppliers or Processors?
What scrutiny is there to be administrating this? Surely won't be a case of so long as something is written in the supplied diary and submitted then you get the money. Would be tempting to some if £30 a time in it should they feel putting real time and effort involved would largely aid the processor rather than them.

 

[DB67]

Got it today but if your own records are already good is that sufficient?

 

[Giles1]

Initially jumped up and down and swore,more money taken out of direct subs and plonked into some other scheme that some will take and others leave,until some pillock makes it compulsory.Then I saw the words environmental and sustainability in the same sentence and jumped higher and swore more.How much will this scheme cost to run excluding the possible £30/calf,read it carefully,"area based" is in there too?How many will be employed to run it?Apart from weighing at weaning and tissue sampling all the other stuff is recorded here anyway.Cow docility is subjective depending on your market.If I'm selling beef only calves I'll tell the truth,3,4 and 5 at calving time here.(At 2-3 months they come down to 2's)If I was a pedigree sales person,they'd all be 1 and 2,never show any signs of aggression....Subjective anyway,on some places a 5 would be she looks at you,on others a 2 would be just puts you on the floor, a 3 a mild trampling,4 a hospital visit and 5 "we really should get rid of that one".

 

[scholland]

no, never heard of it, who's it from?

Scot gov

 

[scholland]

We don't weigh our calves at birth. Weigh at weaning. Then again when they go back to grass.

No weighing at birth, just calf size, calving ease and calf vigour. Weigh at weaning.

 

[scholland]

We ll welcome it with open arms! Think it's £30 head.

Was told it average out at £18 per cow as you only get paid for 3 years but have to do the work for 5.

 

[scholland]

Got it today but if your own records are already good is that sufficient?

Think you'll have to put them into the website

 

[Cowcalf]

We ll welcome it with open arms! Think it's £30 head.

Is that a per annum figure or total for period.

 

[Chae1]

Was just what father said this morning! Could easy be wrong.

 

[jre]

Including the section on "greenhouse gases". !!!! A barren cow will be unproductive and will have produced a volume of methane during the year for no gain.. Looks like its a 5 yr scheme with a payment for the first 3 yr of " approximately" £30per calf.

 

[choochter]

How much time will it take to input all the data for each calving and for each calf into the online database?
Will it be pre-populated with BCMS data?

 

[scholland]

Was just what father said this morning! Could easy be wrong.

Nfu guy at meeting said it would be £40 first year, £30 second. £20 third year then nowt for year 4 and 5. Will depend who signs up as it will be a pot of money. Hopefully your right and I'm wrong!

 

[Cowgirl]

Have they got the computer power to analyse the data?