Scottish Sub Calving index 410 days

[harperfarmer]

what does that mean?

A line from some pedigree boys.....as others have explained, some feel unless it's been jacked it'll never be good enough

 

[unlacedgecko]

what does that mean?

If a calf isn't jacked out it gets steered.

 

[choochter]

A line from some pedigree boys.....as others have explained, some feel unless it's been jacked it'll never be good enough

this just slithered out

 

[flywheel]

This is messing up my plans a bit. So I currently run 120 spring calvers 10th March to May calving. Have had 50% calf in 3 weeks so by the last cycle there isn’t that many but they currently will fall inside the scheme ok.
I also have autumn calvers from end of September to end of November. For years now I have culled pretty much everything that doesn’t hold in calf on their cycle, an odd thing has slipped round if there has been a good reason. Twins for example.
Due to a planned restructuring after my full time worker left this spring I only ran the bull with the autumn calvers for 6 weeks. Intending to shorten the autumn calving and add the not in calve ones to the spring herd. From 60 bulled there was only about 6 to slip around, 4 to fatten.

Delighted to have such a short calving to look forward too I also had decided I would shorten the spring calving and try and bring it forward by 1-2 weeks. I would anticipate a lot more empty doing this which for a year I’d allow to join the autumn herd.

So under this new rules I’m effectively going to be financially punished for tightening up my calving patterns and being more efficient.
!!!
I also have a few pedigree Charolais cows who are a different level of inefficiency but will just have to live with them if want to produce the odd decent home grown bull.

Does anyone know if a cow is eligible once she falls under the 410 day CI again or is it a case of once broken can’t be claimed again ever?!

I think its the calf payment you won't get if cow doesn't calf with 410 day ...ever ....that's the problem

 

[Hilly]

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this just slithered out

Lovely bull that, well done .

 

[crofteress]

I heard this might get scrapped yet

 

[Hilly]

I heard this might get scrapped yet

In favour of what tho ?

 

[TheRanger]

In favour of what tho ?

£100 per head subsidy on dairy beef calves. As they’re better for the environment

 

[ladycrofter]

In favour of what tho ?

Perhaps common sense for a change.

 

[Hilly]

Perhaps common sense for a change.

I admire your optimism !

 

[ringi]

£100 per head subsidy on dairy beef calves. As they’re better for the environment

But without the traditional cattle the tourists are less likely to visit Scotland and spend money.

Also dairy beef calves will not do well on many of the hills without a lot of addational feeding. Without the cattle the bracken will take over.

 

[ladycrofter]

I admire your optimism !

They're fighting on so many fronts now they possibly can't afford another battle. Especially one where they don't have any technical expertise. They've caved in before. Big Alex just gone to court according to the papers, and they've got the hate crime bill that's going to blow up tomorrow.
You only need a few farmers in the press talking about the anti-common sense side of this regulation, as discussed at length in an educated manner by people actually doing the work. Once again not a good look for the SNP.

 

[Hilly]

They're fighting on so many fronts now they possibly can't afford another battle. Especially one where they don't have any technical expertise. They've caved in before. Big Alex just gone to court according to the papers, and they've got the hate crime bill that's going to blow up tomorrow.
You only need a few farmers in the press talking about the anti-common sense side of this regulation, as discussed at length in an educated manner by people actually doing the work. Once again not a good look for the SNP.

Its what they will change to that worries me.

 

[S.Jamieson]

It's up £5 per calf this year because less calves registered.

Not sure how it will work next year when less able to claim due to increased calving index

Fantastic. I forgot (!) to get my claim in last year, so I've 2 years worth this year.

 

[Stewartry hill]

Fantastic. I forgot (!) to get my claim in last year, so I've 2 years worth this year.

Bad news I think you have missed it

 

[som farmer]

Perhaps common sense for a change.

l really don't think you can use the words 'common sense' and 'politicians', together in anything.

but you could well get a change of guv, in Scotland, who may have even wackier ideas, or better ones.

 

[The Jolly Farmer]

But without the traditional cattle the tourists are less likely to visit Scotland and spend money.

Also dairy beef calves will not do well on many of the hills without a lot of addational feeding. Without the cattle the bracken will take over.

The excuses for paying the calf payment's get better by the day.

Next you will be telling us there would be no pictures of Highland Cattle to put on the shortbread tins without the calf payment.

 

[TheRanger]

But without the traditional cattle the tourists are less likely to visit Scotland and spend money.

Also dairy beef calves will not do well on many of the hills without a lot of addational feeding. Without the cattle the bracken will take over.

Dairy beef has 29% less GHG emissions than suckler beef.

I don't think the green agenda lot in government will be fussed about destocking of hill ground.

 

[Optimus]

Dairy beef has 29% less GHG emissions than suckler beef.

I don't think the green agenda lot in government will be fussed about destocking of hill ground.

Hopefully they won't be in government much longer.

 

[ringi]

Dairy beef has 29% less GHG emissions than suckler beef.

I don't think the green agenda lot in government will be fussed about destocking of hill ground.

Not when the suckler is a fully outdoor system with minimal hay/sillage use and the dairy beef is anything normal.