Scottish Sub Calving index 410 days

[Anymulewilldo]

I get that but usually got a spare calf about to twin on so no need to replace with a heifer.

Ahhhh you didn’t say that bit! Yes, we adopt calves on too!
I thought you meant “it’s had a dead one so turn it back to the bull and try again”

my bad

 

[Optimus]

Ahhhh you didn’t say that bit! Yes, we adopt calves on too!
I thought you meant “it’s had a dead one so turn it back to the bull and try again”

my bad

My old man would of back in the day.and I might do it if it was a pedigree animal.

The problem with breeding animals is you never know whats going to happen.here is a scenario .a cow loses a 7 month old calf an is 4 months in calf.too late to replace with a heifer an for me too far on to cull.
What do you do,? sell her as in calf or keep her an just run with it? An you've a closed herd so you don't want to go buying in replacements.

Anyway it doesn't really matter I'm not going chasing every £100 just cos that's what Scot gov tell me I need to do.most will qualify a few wont but thats my choice.im not changing my system just to suit these eco muppets.

 

[Anymulewilldo]

My old man would of back in the day.and I might do it if it was a pedigree animal.

The problem with breeding animals is you never know whats going to happen.here is a scenario .a cow loses a 7 month old calf an is 4 months in calf.too late to replace with a heifer an for me too far on to cull.
What do you do,? sell her as in calf or keep her an just run with it? An you've a closed herd so you don't want to go buying in replacements.

Anyway it doesn't really matter I'm not going chasing every £100 just cos that's what Scot gov tell me I need to do.most will qualify a few wont but thats my choice.im not changing my system just to suit these eco muppets.

Once she’s well in calf, it’s unlikely that losing the current calf was her fault so yes, I’d agree in that instance.

I must admit, it very much depends on the cow as to how far I’m willing to try with them. I’ve always got 1 or 2 that I’m waiting for an excuse to cull them

 

[Skintagain]

Or bring in heifers ready for the bull but wait 11 months to bull them before it’s ‘convenient’ for the farmer for the drastic event of the cow producing a calf
Just as bad

You just buy at the right age

or If you are block calving you won’t have all these random aged heifers knocking about like you do on homebreds

 

[TheRanger]

The dairy cow's carbon footprint is much higher than the suckler cow due to her higher inputs of feed, fertiliser and fuel, but as I say all these are attributed to the 10,000l of milk and none to the beef calf even although most cows are dry for at least 2 months every year.

The majority of a cows GHG emission is it’s methane output. The carbon footprint of her feedstuff/fert/fuel is small in comparison. Rightly or wrongly that’s the way it’s calculated at the moment. So a dairy cow and her calf will have a similar carbon equivalentfootprint to a suckler cow and calf, but with a much higher output of useful foodstuff.

My neighbours sucklers are dry for 6 months and the calves moved onto adlib barley

Maybe I’m just bitter, a suckler farmer got a calf off of me last year, topped the market with it as a yearling but miraculously it’s tags had changed from mine to his, presumably so he could claim the subsidy on it At least she’ll be within 410 days this year now that she had a false calf registered to her.

 

[Ministryman]

I had a vet with a nice arse once too

They can get expensive those vets!

 

[ritchiekirkland]

Apparently it's a ring fenced pot so the qualifying 80% should get extra money?

Remember the 600m was ring fenced too !!!

 

[AngusLad]

Remember the 600m was ring fenced too !!!

They surely wouldn't pull that trick twice...

 

[Hilly]

Remember the 600m was ring fenced too !!!

61 not 600

 

[Hilly]

The environment is great imo , due to farming long before politicians jumped on the environment band wagon …

My mate is a builder , loads of money and loads of time to spend it , si he bought a speed boat draggs it around rhe country puts it in the river various place’s goes fishing out at sea … he says sewage outlets all over the place he says its unreal !! And the water is disgusting fell sorry for you farmers ive seen them on telly trying to blame you and its not you !

 

[Macsky]

 

[Agrivator]

The trouble with the Scottish Government is that they think ' maximizing profitability' is a farmer's main objective.

In many cases it isn't.

 

[Hilly]

The trouble with the Scottish Government is that they think ' maximizing profitability' is a farmer's main objective.

In many cases it isn't.

What is their main objective if not profitability?

 

[puppet]

Sustainable and profitable are interchangeable terms

 

[choochter]

I'm moving my herd from half autumn calving/half spring calving to all spring (well from December onwards) calving
So I'll miss out bigly with the next calf payments.

Although the whole herd calving interval average will be below 410 days

 

[AngusLad]

I'm moving my herd from half autumn calving/half spring calving to all spring (well from December onwards) calving
So I'll miss out bigly with the next calf payments.

Although the whole herd calving interval average will be below 410 days

You will be eligible the following year though?

I'm not sure how that's much different to me for example complaining that I wouldn't get the Upland Sheep Support Scheme payment because I had decided to winter my Hoggs away for a year?

Not everyone can claim all the subsidies all the time. Often management decisions for the betterment of the farm can impact that in the short term

 

[Macsky]

What is their main objective if not profitability?

Survival.

 

[choochter]

You will be eligible the following year though?

I'm not sure how that's much different to me for example complaining that I wouldn't get the Upland Sheep Support Scheme payment because I had decided to winter my Hoggs away for a year?

Not everyone can claim all the subsidies all the time. Often management decisions for the betterment of the farm can impact that in the short term

yes, agree

 

[Hilly]

Survival.

Well thats profitability without proffits we are all gone ..

 

[Macsky]

Well thats profitability without proffits we are all gone ..

Not necessarily, folk can grind along all their lives covering costs and scraping a living, I don’t class that as profiting.