Second hand trucks

[Drillman]

Shouldnt be, should be sold as seen when hammer drops its yours thats why things are cheaper.

If it's made clear when sold that's fair fair enough.

 

[Henery]

Another vote for Bilcar in Shrewsbury, tidy people with an excellent reputation.

 

[ollandroverman]

Shouldnt be, should be sold as seen when hammer drops its yours thats why things are cheaper.

BCA used to have something like a 3 hour window. Basically because you can't hear them run properly amongst all the auction houses noise. I have forgotten the details now as it is a few years since I last bought a car or van at auction. I used to go to sort all of my family's and business automotive needs.

 

[marcusthehat]

Surely the "Engineer's" report is more than a trifle suspect, is this perhaps in any way actionable?

 

[Lincsman]

BCA terms;

• Selling description - Listen carefully to the auctioneer, who will read out the details of the vehicle before starting the bidding. The description by the auctioneer is legally binding and overrides what is printed online or in catalogues.
• "No major mechanical faults" - If the vehicle is described as "no major mechanical faults" this means the vehicle should not have any major faults in the engine, gearbox, clutch, brakes, steering or transmission. Any claims are limited to being reported within 1 hour of the auction ending.
• Specified faults – The auctioneer reads out particular defects notified by the seller.
• Sold as seen - The vehicle is sold with any faults it may have. These may include faults to the engine, suspension, drivetrain and gearbox. BCA will not accept any complaints about mechanical or cosmetic condition or roadworthiness after the vehicle is sold.
• Sold with a warranted mileage - The mileage has been warranted as correct by the seller. If, post-sale, the mileage is believed to be incorrect, it is the buyers responsibility to report this suspicion with evidence to BCA within five working days. The vehicle does not have to have service history present to be sold with warranted mileage as the seller may have carried out other checks to provide assurance.
• BCA Assured report – This is an independent multi-point vehicle check carried out by the AA at BCA and is sold on the description contained in this report. The AA Inspectors make over 30 checks on the vehicle to make sure as a buyer you have accurate information and complete transparency of the mechanical condition of the vehicle. BCA Assured covers a range of features from the condition of the tyres, to engine running, to a VOSA approved brake check. This is not a full mechanical inspection and does not warrant the condition of the vehicle once it is sold. For BCA Assured Terms and Conditions please find out more here.

 

[nb844]

Well quick update, I've contacted the auctioneers again, this time they said a manager will get back to me.

I've rung every breaker I can find and it looks like thorntons are the only ones with an engine and they want £1700 which I'm really not comfortable with but might be the only way out.

I've ring round some machine shops asking about rebuilds, I haven't managed to get hold of bilcar yet, but only one other wanted to know, they are 60mile away and have a 3 week waiting list. Rough costing 2k.

 

[quavers]

cut your loses and put it on ebay , what people pay for some stuff is unreal .

 

[Sheep]

Have you tried starting it today?

 

[Drillman]

Well quick update, I've contacted the auctioneers again, this time they said a manager will get back to me.

I've rung every breaker I can find and it looks like thorntons are the only ones with an engine and they want £1700 which I'm really not comfortable with but might be the only way out.

I've ring round some machine shops asking about rebuilds, I haven't managed to get hold of bilcar yet, but only one other wanted to know, they are 60mile away and have a 3 week waiting list. Rough costing 2k.

At this stage I would be checking auto trader etc to see what comparable vehicles are priced at, at dealers.

Then,as you now know the likely repair costs you will know whether to fix it or get rid.

 

[Muck Spreader]

cut your loses and put it on ebay , what people pay for some stuff is unreal .

IMO if the chassis is in a very good rot free condition it's worth putting a rebuilt engine in. From my experience most 4x4's end up getting binned due to BER level chassis corrosion rather than anything else.

 

[nb844]

That's exactly what I'm thinking, maybe worth another engine. Auctioneers have said because I'm local and a friend of one of their staff, they will refund me the buyers fee as a gesture of good will. I figured I have no right to any kind of refund and this might be my only chance of anything so I took it.

That means the truck is stood in at £2900, I'm thinking any 08 pickup with 85k, pretty straight body work and clean underneath would be worth between 5-6k on a dealers yard. By that logic best decision is to get another engine/rebuild existing one.

Breakers offered me £800 for the truck as is.

The truck did start the morning after but to say it run rough would be a massive understatement.

 

[Henery]

Get the motor rebuilt by as reputable gang as you can, best way out for now.
You should end up with a long term useable truck with a resale value, as it is you have very little.
Good luck, perseverance with Billcar might pay.

 

[Willie adie]

watched a ranger go through thainstone a couple of weeks ago , 70000or 90000 miles I cant remember auto gearbox , £2900 should have bought as it looked good value .

thainstone, oh yes where
"everything finds a victim"

 

[nb844]

I kept on until I reached someone from billcar, first people I spoke to that actually sounded like they wanted the job. They are talking rough figures of £1500-2000, so my mechanic is going to get the engine out first chance he gets and I'll take it up to Shrewsbury!

 

[Tonym]

I kept on until I reached someone from billcar, first people I spoke to that actually sounded like they wanted the job. They are talking rough figures of £1500-2000, so my mechanic is going to get the engine out first chance he gets and I'll take it up to Shrewsbury!

Bilcar have a very good reputation locally and I am sure you have made the right decision and will end up with a good workhorse with an engine you can trust.
Breakers have their place but you are still gambling just as you do buying at an auction.

 

[ct773]

I kept on until I reached someone from billcar, first people I spoke to that actually sounded like they wanted the job. They are talking rough figures of £1500-2000, so my mechanic is going to get the engine out first chance he gets and I'll take it up to Shrewsbury!

Quote sounds sensible, beware of companies offering to do the job for less. These are pretty complex engines being twin overhead cam, common rail etc. And a lot of ancillaries and plumbing such as cooled egr, intake throttles, water cooled vgt. There is a lot of labour time involved before you even get to reconditioning the base engine. It is a different beast to something like a Land Rover tdi engine. And that's before the cost of new parts is considered.

It seems like Billcar have a good reputation, especially on Navara's. A few questions to consider:

Do they have experience of rebuilding these Isuzu engines?
Do they have all the correct manual information including all procedures, torque information etc?
What parts do they use, and what is the quality of these? These will not be genuine parts at that price I assume - Isuzu parts are typically pricey!
Do they have any special tools that maybe required?

As you have found the cost is probably greater than fitting a used engine. Contrary to some views, I consider a used engine to be lower risk than a recon. Statistically we have both been unlucky with the the first engine, so would be very, very unfortunate to suffer a major failure again, considering a typical design life of 250k miles plus. I would rather have a used engine built in a factory environment using controlled processes, and using fully validated parts (unless there are known weaknesses such as with navaras).

I will also add that at the time I also consulted my local garage on the decision. Their view was to fit a used engine on the basis that they typically get a lot more problems and comeback with reconditioned engines than second hand units that they fit.

There is no right or wrong answer to this, I am just trying to give a balanced view so that you can make an informed decision. At the end of the day it's down to the guy doing the rebuild, and the quality of parts used. There are relatively few of these Isuzu's about in the uk, and therefore a lack of specialists and knowledge compared to some other makes. There are good companies out there, but also plenty of cowboys!

Regardless of this, I recommend getting your mechanic to pay particular attention to the air intake system on the truck. Without knowing what failure yours has suffered, there were traces of dirt and dust through the system on my fathers truck which I believe was the likely cause of our issues. Needless to say he now uses genuine air filters and will change it more often...

I will add that in a previous life I spent 10 years working for a Diesel engine manufacturer, thus have my own bias and views on this subject!