Selling Land

[BIGN]

Hello - really sorry - very new here - wasn't sure where to post it....

Hello All,

I would be really interested in speaking with anyone who owns their farm as opposed i guess to a tennant farmer (someone in a pub once told me there was such a thing), who has in the past been approached by anyone offering to buy any or all of their land, be this for development or otherwise and whether a person or a corporation.
Myself and a friend are doing a study piece at the moment relating to a concept for sustainable infrastructure and community integration. We thought a great place to begin the community end of things would be by the guys who form what seems to us, geographically the largest part of it.

Doesn't matter I don't think whether you farm cows or corn, we'd be really interested to hear from you. We do have some other questions as well relating to land use/yield etc, to which i've already found some apparently representative answers relating to the arable side of things, but I think we'd just like to get more real answers based on anecdotal methods as distinct from the scientific head of things.

Feel free to inbox me and i don't mind passing you my phone number if you're at all free.

have a good day everyone!!!

 

[Still Farming]

Nimby's don't like integration .
They want a place for their son and or daughter to come back to live though.
Local Council's got different veiw's to National policy also.

 

[BIGN]

I understand Nimby-ism to a degree, because after all, wouldn't it be great if nothing change and we all had everything exactly as we've always known it. It's a difficult balance i guess both culturally, economically and in respect of sustainability and the environment.

I suppose that's broadly the view of local council planning teams.

Where do you fall in the spectrum of farming them, are you a life-longing, 5th generation man with an amazing knowledge of fixing tractor tow hitches, or just a beetroot basher weekend man?

 

[BIGN]

and none of that was meant offensively by the way - just trying to draw a stark line

 

[Still Farming]

I think a few will pop along to "fill you in ",shortly !

 

[TripleSix]

I understand Nimby-ism to a degree, because after all, wouldn't it be great if nothing change and we all had everything exactly as we've always known it. It's a difficult balance i guess both culturally, economically and in respect of sustainability and the environment.

I suppose that's broadly the view of local council planning teams.

Where do you fall in the spectrum of farming them, are you a life-longing, 5th generation man with an amazing knowledge of fixing tractor tow hitches, or just a beetroot basher weekend man?

Offence taken.

 

[BIGN]

Hello Mr Triple Six - well maybe Mrs i guess. I assume you're not being serious - Is my original topic something you have experience of? Or in fact are you in the Nimby camp and have a particular view on the subject of integration, either way would be interested to hear your views.

 

[David.]

Welcome along BIGN.
Are you from Scunthorpe?

 

[JCMaloney]

Myself and a friend are doing a study piece at the moment relating to a concept for sustainable infrastructure and community integration.

For what purpose? Business? University?
Very often what starts off as a "noble piece of academic work" is brought back years later wrapped around a stick and used to beat folk with.

Back on track....... sustainable infrastructure is always last in the queue for developers.
A local town (Shepshed) is getting about 600+ extra homes. Currently you can`t get into a GP`s, nor dentists and the road network is gridlock from 7 - 9 am and 4.30- 6.00pm.
Still building the 600 homes and there is another 3,000+ planned.
"Community integration" ........ that`s a deeper rooted problem than just housing. Gradual erosion (closing police stations, local shops failing against out of town sheds etc etc etc) has done for "community".

 

[BIGN]

Hello David - No I am not. I live in Manchester, originally from Essex

JC - Hello - Both Actually. Nothing too noble just trying to be considerate. The intention is not to quote people so they can be 'beaten with a stick', simply to try and find a reasonable balance, between what is necessary and what people want...and to try and do this in line with a more carbon friendly approach (so to speak).

Our point to put maybe a slightly simplistic bent on things, is that there's no reason everyone can't be provided for, if only in a microcosmic sense. Now part of that might be to take a somewhat socialist approach and say we need to support those on the less fortunate end of the spectrum, but clearly that has to be afforded. Clearly though the purely capitalist approach doesn't work either - so there should be a middle ground. I'm not saying we should all live in hippy communes and drink our own pee, more that we should examine what parts of these different social and economic paradigms work, and adopt them where possible.

This is surely nothing new though, just not something that has been explored on a wide enough basis yet, although the likes of people like Dale Vince when you look at energy supply and production, and countless self builders and eco business startups have been espousing broadly this approach for years.

I think all of your concerns are obviously valid, but what i'm saying is not that it should be the whole responsibility and soul focus of developers to solve them, but for society as a whole through a community approach to accept and take responsibility for what they can change, but to do this from a fundamental level starting at the inception of any project, be it housing, business or services. I think it's important to remember that our thoughts about infrastructure shouldn't just be about our irritation at not being able to drive over 2 mph between certain hours, but to foster an approach which mitigates whatever factors are possible in contributing to the issues you mention.


In any case, it seems to me like you might be a little jaded against the concept of community.I appreciate there are probably reasons for that, but maybe therein lies the need to believe in the possibility of there being an approach which could mend what you appear to believe is broken.

For example. Man wins 5 million quid on the lottery. Man wants to build a house you find vulgar in a field right next to your favorite pub, ruining as you see it your view while you sit and enjoy your Saturday afternoon ale. Well, what if he is willing to pay the wage for a village bobby (i realise it's not that simple but imagine it for now), and wants to use the 20 acres right next to his house, to host a village fete every year which he pays for himself.
I think as a community we need to consider what level of inconvenience we are willing to put up with vs the potential benefits.

And I would hope that irrespective my ultimate aim, the existence of this thread is proof that people are willing to find another approach.

 

[JCMaloney]

Nope, not jaded about community at all. Where I live the community are great lots going on from Parkrun to a newly set up Community Enterprise.
What "we" lack are the basic resources that "we" pay an increasing amount of money for but receive less.
So "smarter policing" is good in theory , however it detach`s officers from the community and they are substituted by PCSO`s...... that is perceived as police on the cheap.
Society`s "rules" have bent too far to accommodate the feckless & the criminal, everyone has "rights" with little concept of consequences because their rights take priority.
Planning is seen as a battle against money, because it is. The community view is almost always steam rollered and described as "nimbyism".

Trying to find the middle ground, or fight for it, is what has effected politics as well, the reality is one size doesn`t fit all and when someone comes along with a simple, clear message they get support..... think Farage & Trump. Both felt the pulse of the people and put it to good use.

 

[renewablejohn]

Well if you want a good study then you have a prime candidate on your doorstep just outside Manchester. Large village should really now be classed as a small town. Had a real community spirit as founders of the National Childrens Homes. Site now sold off and made into executive homes. Still have community assets thanks to historic benefactors but civil unrest has been declared with pitchforks at dawn and reuse of the existing stocks very much on the cards. Last two parish council meetings descended into anarchy.
Oh to live in a nice quiet community.

 

[curlietailz]

I have an idea for a diversification project.....
We have some land sandwiched between an industrial estate and a town....so very Urban....and a right PITA to farm....
So
I'm looking at projects..... Obviously the top is housing, followed by solar panels...... Neither of which are looking promising..... So next comes a caravan/chalet park, followed by turf, or forest, followed by splitting into 10 acre blocks and selling as pony paddocks....or market garden./allotments.....

But what I am interested in is making homes for the homeless and disadvantaged..... Like little cabins, little wooden things with a central toilet/shower block..... So that the homeless could at least be dry and safe behind a locked door...and have hygiene facilities.......
Anyone know of a scheme already in existence?...
I'd be interested in researching further

 

[JCMaloney]

I have an idea for a diversification project.....
We have some land sandwiched between an industrial estate and a town....so very Urban....and a right PITA to farm....
So
I'm looking at projects..... Obviously the top is housing, followed by solar panels...... Neither of which are looking promising..... So next comes a caravan/chalet park, followed by turf, or forest, followed by splitting into 10 acre blocks and selling as pony paddocks....or market garden./allotments.....

But what I am interested in is making homes for the homeless and disadvantaged..... Like little cabins, little wooden things with a central toilet/shower block..... So that the homeless could at least be dry and safe behind a locked door...and have hygiene facilities.......
Anyone know of a scheme already in existence?...
I'd be interested in researching further

Like this? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/magaz...building-their-homes-from-shipping-containers

 

[curlietailz]

Hi JCMaloney
Kind of......I have little wooden huts "in my head" but my mate manages a large shipping container company... So that could work?

Thanks

Like this? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/magaz...building-their-homes-from-shipping-containers

 

[Doing it for the kids]

Future planning, sustainability etc has to come from the top down, trouble is that changes ever few years.

Developers will chase profits, nothing wrong in that, so need to be told how to develop areas for the greater good.

The problem is red tape, it costs a fortune to do anything in the uk and there is no money to pay for it / community betterment.

 

[D14]

Hello - really sorry - very new here - wasn't sure where to post it....

Hello All,

I would be really interested in speaking with anyone who owns their farm as opposed i guess to a tennant farmer (someone in a pub once told me there was such a thing), who has in the past been approached by anyone offering to buy any or all of their land, be this for development or otherwise and whether a person or a corporation.
Myself and a friend are doing a study piece at the moment relating to a concept for sustainable infrastructure and community integration. We thought a great place to begin the community end of things would be by the guys who form what seems to us, geographically the largest part of it.

Doesn't matter I don't think whether you farm cows or corn, we'd be really interested to hear from you. We do have some other questions as well relating to land use/yield etc, to which i've already found some apparently representative answers relating to the arable side of things, but I think we'd just like to get more real answers based on anecdotal methods as distinct from the scientific head of things.

Feel free to inbox me and i don't mind passing you my phone number if you're at all free.

have a good day everyone!!!

What are you actually asking as its not clear?

In every parish there is that farmers son who comes back from university with his collars up, thinking they are gods gift to farming and goes around saying he'll buy any land thats for sale in his brand new landcover 90 blinged up to the maximum with lights and aerials. So I am sure most farmers have had that kind of offer before as its very common. They never seem to sell to the little twerps though. Is that what your after?

 

[Still Farming]

Verdict still out on this one ?

 

[Clive]

I have an idea for a diversification project.....
We have some land sandwiched between an industrial estate and a town....so very Urban....and a right PITA to farm....
So
I'm looking at projects..... Obviously the top is housing, followed by solar panels...... Neither of which are looking promising..... So next comes a caravan/chalet park, followed by turf, or forest, followed by splitting into 10 acre blocks and selling as pony paddocks....or market garden./allotments.....

But what I am interested in is making homes for the homeless and disadvantaged..... Like little cabins, little wooden things with a central toilet/shower block..... So that the homeless could at least be dry and safe behind a locked door...and have hygiene facilities.......
Anyone know of a scheme already in existence?...
I'd be interested in researching further

I think in other parts of the world these developments are called shanty towns / the gheto !

 

[Danllan]

...I think as a community we need to consider what level of inconvenience we are willing to put up with vs the potential benefits...

Several points come to mind: firstly, that most people generally dislike unnecessary change. Secondly, that committees don't always reach widely 'acceptable' decisions - referenda do not always end in happiness but the theory is hard to dispute. Thirdly, 'benefit' is very subjective; some might tell me that 'the people' - including me - benefit from development X, regardless of feelings about it and any amount of evidence to the contrary.