Setting up a local wood chip fuel supply chain

[akaPABLO01]

what about the BSL? It has a map with all registered suppliers.

Does it include fuel grades, costing including haulage?

A simple app like, buyer/seller, enter postcode, enter amounts, prices gathered from transport?

 

[akaPABLO01]

Or just join the Facebook Arbchip Buyer Group

So there is a void in the app market?

 

[Doing it for the kids]

Interesting, anyone for a joint venture? @Clive

I knew a few in the app industry

 

[tompick]

I have good quality dried larch wood chip for sale in Oxfordshire (OX17) if anyone is interested and looking to buy.

 

[Doing it for the kids]

I have good quality dried larch wood chip for sale in Oxfordshire (OX17) if anyone is interested and looking to buy.

What sort of tonnage, whate grade spec, what mc?

 

[tompick]

What sort of tonnage, whate grade spec, what mc?

I chip about 600m3 of logs a year but could be increased if needed. It’s chipped to G50 grade and the moisture content is probably around 10-15% once dried but I could dry it for more or less time

 

[Doing it for the kids]

What do you want for it?

 

[Wastexprt]

Need permission from your local authority to run a tree station as its a waste handling facility. Doubt whether you will actually get it as there cracking down on them. Lot of farmers around here used to run similar operations and have all been shut down for breaking the rules on operating waste facilities. I have managed to keep my operation but only because I exploit the share farming rules.

Odd, the EA position for 'virgin wood' is as follows

Virgin timbers are not waste and are not subject to waste regulatory controls provided they are certain to be used for the purposes virgin wood is used.
These uses include:
- woodchip in gardens or on pathways;
- a raw material for composting;
- animal bedding or horse ménages;
- fuel in an appliance;
- raw material for the production of wood-based products or in paper production;
- a material to create or maintain a habitat as part of the natural cycle of land management.

Virgin timber includes trees and branches and vegetation removed during river and other maintenance works or trees removed from watercourses following flooding, etc.

Unless, in the cases you mention, a fair bit of the following was happening....

Where virgin timber is mixed with waste timber or with any other waste, the mixed load is classed as waste. For example, virgin timber from maintenance works such as those mentioned above when mixed with other wood such as fence posts, window frames, furniture, etc.

 

[Doing it for the kids]

Odd, the EA position for 'virgin wood' is as follows

Virgin timbers are not waste and are not subject to waste regulatory controls provided they are certain to be used for the purposes virgin wood is used.
These uses include:
- woodchip in gardens or on pathways;
- a raw material for composting;
- animal bedding or horse ménages;
- fuel in an appliance;
- raw material for the production of wood-based products or in paper production;
- a material to create or maintain a habitat as part of the natural cycle of land management.

Virgin timber includes trees and branches and vegetation removed during river and other maintenance works or trees removed from watercourses following flooding, etc.

Unless, in the cases you mention, a fair bit of the following was happening....

Where virgin timber is mixed with waste timber or with any other waste, the mixed load is classed as waste. For example, virgin timber from maintenance works such as those mentioned above when mixed with other wood such as fence posts, window frames, furniture, etc.

very helpful, thanks.

my current plan is to take chip from tree surgeons truck and logs and do what ever I have to do (Screening and drying) to get them to a product worth selling. it will only ever be virgin timber.

 

[renewablejohn]

Odd, the EA position for 'virgin wood' is as follows

Virgin timbers are not waste and are not subject to waste regulatory controls provided they are certain to be used for the purposes virgin wood is used.
These uses include:
- woodchip in gardens or on pathways;
- a raw material for composting;
- animal bedding or horse ménages;
- fuel in an appliance;
- raw material for the production of wood-based products or in paper production;
- a material to create or maintain a habitat as part of the natural cycle of land management.

Virgin timber includes trees and branches and vegetation removed during river and other maintenance works or trees removed from watercourses following flooding, etc.

Unless, in the cases you mention, a fair bit of the following was happening....

Where virgin timber is mixed with waste timber or with any other waste, the mixed load is classed as waste. For example, virgin timber from maintenance works such as those mentioned above when mixed with other wood such as fence posts, window frames, furniture, etc.

If your going to quote from the document then at least put a link to the document then everyone can see how you have been selective with the quotes from the document. The critical bit which tree surgeons fall down on to comply with the virgin timber classification is chipping the brash which includes the green leaf. Cannot be more explicit which is why farmers have been caught out accepting tree surgeon waste as virgin timber.

 

[renewablejohn]

very helpful, thanks.

my current plan is to take chip from tree surgeons truck and logs and do what ever I have to do (Screening and drying) to get them to a product worth selling. it will only ever be virgin timber.

Wont be virgin by definition if it includes ANY leaf. Has cost some farmers around here thousands on disposal. The other problem is the EA licence requirements which although free are very restrictive on tonnage allowed to be stored and processed on site.

 

[Doing it for the kids]

would winter only chipping be ok then if no leaves!?

 

[renewablejohn]

would winter only chipping be ok then if no leaves!?

Unfortunately tree surgeon bread and butter is conifers especially leylandi which are green all year round.

 

[Wastexprt]

If your going to quote from the document then at least put a link to the document then everyone can see how you have been selective with the quotes from the document. The critical bit which tree surgeons fall down on to comply with the virgin timber classification is chipping the brash which includes the green leaf. Cannot be more explicit which is why farmers have been caught out accepting tree surgeon waste as virgin timber.

As requested http://www.timcon.org/Timcon/Regulations/Downloads/070927 Reg position statement1.pdf

And here https://www.forestry.gov.uk/pdf/eng...nt.pdf/$FILE/eng-yh-ea-wastewoodstatement.pdf

 

[renewablejohn]

As requested http://www.timcon.org/Timcon/Regulations/Downloads/070927 Reg position statement1.pdf

And here https://www.forestry.gov.uk/pdf/eng...nt.pdf/$FILE/eng-yh-ea-wastewoodstatement.pdf

Its the second one which is important off the forestry site as footnote 2 is the sledgehammer councils have been using to require tree surgeon virgin timber being classified as waste and need waste licences to run tree stations.

 

[Wastexprt]

Its the second one which is important off the forestry site as footnote 2 is the sledgehammer councils have been using to require tree surgeon virgin timber being classified as waste and need waste licences to run tree stations.

That's a bit naughty, I would suggest that the footnote is to say that leaves and small branches with leaves on isn't covered, hedge clippings in effect. I think the important word here is 'primarliy' as opposed to 'none at all'.

It's unfortunate that the other one isn't dated, as it has a slightly different interpretation as it includes brash. I'll see if I have a more recent iteration.

Here it is https://biomass-suppliers-list.serv...2017 03 06 Waste Wood 43_17 - EA guidance.pdf

If you look at chipping under exemption, it makes no distinction https://www.gov.uk/guidance/waste-e...-by-chipping-shredding-cutting-or-pulverising between virgin wood or brash

Are they looking at it from a planning or permitting perspective? If it's waste, it's usually the EA.

 

[renewablejohn]

That's a bit naughty, I would suggest that the footnote is to say that leaves and small branches with leaves on isn't covered, hedge clippings in effect. I think the important word here is 'primarliy' as opposed to 'none at all'.

It's unfortunate that the other one isn't dated, as it has a slightly different interpretation as it includes brash. I'll see if I have a more recent iteration.

Here it is https://biomass-suppliers-list.service.gov.uk/Content/Documents/2017 03 06 Waste Wood 43_17 - EA guidance.pdf

If you look at chipping under exemption, it makes no distinction https://www.gov.uk/guidance/waste-e...-by-chipping-shredding-cutting-or-pulverising between virgin wood or brash

Are they looking at it from a planning or permitting perspective? If it's waste, it's usually the EA.

I think the logic there using is that any chip with green elements in it is likely to turn into compost therefore must be processed by an authorised composting site. There is a problem with EA composting exemption rules when processing chip as woodchip conversion time can be upto 2 years and the tonnage allowed is miniscule in trading terms given the conversion duration.

 

[Wastexprt]

I think the logic there using is that any chip with green elements in it is likely to turn into compost therefore must be processed by an authorised composting site. There is a problem with EA composting exemption rules when processing chip as woodchip conversion time can be upto 2 years and the tonnage allowed is miniscule in trading terms given the conversion duration.

I agree. It's only a matter of time before the exemptions are reduced even further forcing all down the permitting route, or out of the game all together.....

 

[busy daddy]

Talking to a guy today who said if its chipped on site its ok as in chipping brash in a wood , or maybe dismantling a tree and chipping on site for biomass ???