SFI 2024 action start dates

[Jd555]

Wishing to enter into enhanced over winter stubble AHW7 for the 2024 scheme.

I understand you have to make an expression of interest shortly with a possible agreement starting in Autumn 2024.

I wish to put winter barley stubble into this scheme from this harvest. Technically I am not yet in an agreement, can i start the action now in anticipation of being in the scheme?

Or do I wait until next harvest to enter as I would be within 12 months of agreement start date?

 

[Regenerator1]

Wishing to enter into enhanced over winter stubble AHW7 for the 2024 scheme.

I understand you have to make an expression of interest shortly with a possible agreement starting in Autumn 2024.

I wish to put winter barley stubble into this scheme from this harvest. Technically I am not yet in an agreement, can i start the action now in anticipation of being in the scheme?

Or do I wait until next harvest to enter as I would be within 12 months of agreement start date?

At this rate you might have to wait until next harvest because the 22nd July announcement by DEFRA has been delayed due to ongoing IT issues and the election and feedback from the National Audit Office on DEFRA performance and most importantly Treasury confirmation of a budget for the schemes...
Sorry not to be more helpful but we are all waiting for guidance
Why cant DEFRA COMMUNICATE...

 

[Jo28]

Wishing to enter into enhanced over winter stubble AHW7 for the 2024 scheme.

I understand you have to make an expression of interest shortly with a possible agreement starting in Autumn 2024.

I wish to put winter barley stubble into this scheme from this harvest. Technically I am not yet in an agreement, can i start the action now in anticipation of being in the scheme?

Or do I wait until next harvest to enter as I would be within 12 months of agreement start date?

We want to do the same ahw7, I'm presuming if they get there act together and we can apply in August it will start 1st September and then after next harvest (2025) we can rotate the fields.

 

[Jd555]

We want to do the same ahw7, I'm presuming if they get there act together and we can apply in August it will start 1st September and then after next harvest (2025) we can rotate the fields.

Are you leaving it "fallow" from this harvest?

The 3 year agreement would end in September 27 giving you 3 fallow periods. If you didn't start AHW7 until harvest 25 would you only be obliged to 2 fallow periods as you are not obliged to do anything after the agreement end date (September 27).

 

[haymaker80]

Are you leaving it "fallow" from this harvest?

The 3 year agreement would end in September 27 giving you 3 fallow periods. If you didn't start AHW7 until harvest 25 would you only be obliged to 2 fallow periods as you are not obliged to do anything after the agreement end date (September 27).

"If this action’s start date means it’s too late for you to do this action, you must start doing it within 12 months of the action’s start date."

So yes, like a lot of the actions you can get away with doing the action for 2 of the 3 years effectively

 

[Jo28]

Are you leaving it "fallow" from this harvest?

The 3 year agreement would end in September 27 giving you 3 fallow periods. If you didn't start AHW7 until harvest 25 would you only be obliged to 2 fallow periods as you are not obliged to do anything after the agreement end date (September 27).

Our intention was to fallow after this harvest to have 3 fallow periods

 

[Jd555]

"If this action’s start date means it’s too late for you to do this action, you must start doing it within 12 months of the action’s start date."

So yes, like a lot of the actions you can get away with doing the action for 2 of the 3 years effectively

For example

Autumn 24 agreement start date 3 year duration end Autumn 27, 12 months to start action.

Harvest 25 - fallow (AHW7) - replant Sept 26

Harvest 26 - fallow (AHW7) - replant Sept 27

Agreement ends Autumn 27 not obliged to carry on with action.

Leaving it this year (Harvest 24) would be unnecessary?

 

[Jd555]

Our intention was to fallow after this harvest to have 3 fallow periods

I was thinking the same but looking at it again I'm not sure.

 

[bobk]

No pre harvest roundup for AHW7 , that's me buggered

 

[Jo28]

I was thinking the same but looking at it again I'm not sure.

I think the intention is to have 3 fallow periods and I'm not sure I'd be comfortable arguing otherwise if we were inspected

 

[Regenerator1]

I think the intention is to have 3 fallow periods and I'm not sure I'd be comfortable arguing otherwise if we were inspected

Correct... the Labour Party will claw it all back if you take the pee....

 

[yellow belly]

For example

Autumn 24 agreement start date 3 year duration end Autumn 27, 12 months to start action.

Harvest 25 - fallow (AHW7) - replant Sept 26

Harvest 26 - fallow (AHW7) - replant Sept 27

Agreement ends Autumn 27 not obliged to carry on with action.

Leaving it this year (Harvest 24) would be unnecessary?

The May not be an obligation but you are likely to renew after 3 years so effectively continue the option unless you change to different options

if we abuse the system the loop holes will be closed when they come to light and cost farmers income
it only needs the govenment to adjust the rules and aims

we all need to lobby for increase flexibility to maximise farmers income
defra will need to justify their share of the govenment budget
protecting The environment is more likely to get money rather than food subsidies or area payment

 

[Regenerator1]

Has the lobbying not just fallen flat on its face? Divide and conquer... good luck mate???

 

[Jd555]

I didn't think it was a loop hole but starting an "action" before you have an agreement in place doesn't make a lot of sense.

What I am getting at though is that if an agreement does not start until autumn 24 and then you carry out the action (AHW7) after harvest 25, you wouldn't have to complete 3 years of the action ending in Autumn 28 where the agreement ends in autumn 27?

I really think they have made some of the rules incredibly vague

 

[Billboy1]

I've a 23 agreement that ends on 30th nov in 2026 if i have ahl2 that supposed to be in until the following feb how will that work ?

 

[4course]

We want to do the same ahw7, I'm presuming if they get there act together and we can apply in August it will start 1st September and then after next harvest (2025) we can rotate the fields.

Bear in mind that some of the actions dont finish on the third anniversary of the start date but after they have been completed which could well be months after. This is a change from the 23 sfi scheme .a complication .How do you follow on? if you wanted to or not as the case may be . can you start a new scheme ? ,you could well miss out on 6 months payments or so I am advised .

 

[4course]

Further to my above post it seems that those folk me included who started a sfi 23 will not be able to add to the agreement as initially stated and is there in black and white in the rule/guidance information but will if they wish have to start a new sfi24 thus meaning you could be trapped for 4.5 years from your initial sfi23 start date .

 

[Billboy1]

Further to my above post it seems that those folk me included who started a sfi 23 will not be able to add to the agreement as initially stated and is there in black and white in the rule/guidance information but will if they wish have to start a new sfi24 thus meaning you could be trapped for 4.5 years from your initial sfi23 start date .

that can't be right surely !

 

[4course]

that can't be right surely !

seems it is even though we when signing up where told different and it definitely says you will be able to add to the sfi 23 in years 2&3 and presumably end on the third anniversary of the start date i.e start say dec 23 end dec 26 = 3 years wether 1/2 way through an action or not !!

 

[Andy26]

Further to my above post it seems that those folk me included who started a sfi 23 will not be able to add to the agreement as initially stated and is there in black and white in the rule/guidance information but will if they wish have to start a new sfi24 thus meaning you could be trapped for 4.5 years from your initial sfi23 start date .

Does that mean we cannot increase the area of an option like we were told we could when we signed up?

That cannot be right?