SFI - Self Help and Tips

[Kentishfarmer]

Andrew is correct. 72 kg N is the amount of total N in FYM. 7.2kg is the 10 available N. If you take a look closer at the supporting guidance for the LIG1 option it refers to available N equivalent to 12 t/ha FYM. And then refer to RB209 Fertiliser Recommendations.

So if you were applying AM in the spring how many KG/ha could you apply?

 

[AndrewM]

So if you were applying AM in the spring how many KG/ha could you apply?

7.2kgN/Ha 5.7units/acre.
22.3Kg/Ha of P
102Kg/Ha of K
its called low input for a reason, i didnt like the look of it

 

[Aspiring Peasants]

7.2kgN/Ha 5.7units/acre.
22.3Kg/Ha of P
102Kg/Ha of K
its called low input for a reason, i didnt like the look of it

Probably best not to put it all into LIG but fertilize the rest heavily

 

[Frank-the-Wool]

I have started the process of ticking the boxes but I have a question.

The first land I am putting in is already in Higher Tier CS so all I can apply for is the soils and some low input grassland.
When I bring up some of the land parcels it pre populates the area that is on the HT CS but often there is a tiny bit left over that of 0.0011 that can go into low input grassland.
Should I tick this box to get rid of this or ignore it.

I worry that I will go all the way through and it will tell me the area isn't correct.

Any help appreciated.

 

[Hindsight]

I have started the process of ticking the boxes but I have a question.

The first land I am putting in is already in Higher Tier CS so all I can apply for is the soils and some low input grassland.
When I bring up some of the land parcels it pre populates the area that is on the HT CS but often there is a tiny bit left over that of 0.0011 that can go into low input grassland.
Should I tick this box to get rid of this or ignore it.

I worry that I will go all the way through and it will tell me the area isn't correct.

Any help appreciated.

I presume these tiny amounts are the difference between your HLS grassland option and the current BPS eligible are. That is what I have found. From my observation you can iether enter into LIG1 or leave unentered. System doesn’t mind either way.

 

[ploughman1963]

What started out as a simple exercise has turned into a troublesome and frustrating one! Having held back from submitting over a month ago due to an error on one field, I received a run-of-the-mill message that RPA had updated some fields (without request from us). Having resolved the original issue, we prepared to submit only to find that one of the parcels that RPA had amended now showed up as an error. 3 weeks now of backwards and forwards and we still cant find the problem. They have already admitted system errors on a couple of fields but we managed to bypass those. We finally gave up and decided to leave the offending field out in order to move forward - only to find that when we tried to submit, two more of the fields they changed mapping on are now also showing errors!
Getting very frustrated.

 

[Kentishfarmer]

7.2kgN/Ha 5.7units/acre.
22.3Kg/Ha of P
102Kg/Ha of K
its called low input for a reason, i didnt like the look of it

The temptation is that it's not no input, so you could run over it with a fert spreader, what comes out of said fert spreader and at what rate, well only the operator will ever know...

 

[farmerm]

Have been looking into herbal leys (sam3) but we have a lot of HEFER sites on all but three small parcels. Some of the sites cover a big proportion of the parcel and others minute.
Today I phoned RPA to find out if I could do sam3 as a part parcel excluding the HEFER sites which they could not give me an answer on and suggested I speak to natural England or attempt an application and see.
Started an application and to my surprise the eligible land area for said option was 100% on all but 2 parcels.
Do they factor HEFER’s in at a later date?
Is there anyway to get sam3 on parcels containing a historic site?
TIA

Split the parcel so you have 2 parcel numbers….

 

[DrWazzock]

Can’t seem to do no insecticide on 10 ha of spring barley that’s on a 25 ha land parcel, the rest of which is herbal ley and temporary grass. It’s says I can only do 15 ha of no insecticide in this fieid which makes no sense at all.
Also, as regards start dates, do we have to start work on the options within 12 months of application sign up? I think we do. But does “start work” mean for example discing stubbles in the autumn ready for drilling birdseed into a stale seedbed next spring or the drilling next spring seen as the start of the action in which case I’m too early to apply now?

 

[Mixedupfarmer]

Can’t seem to do no insecticide on 10 ha of spring barley that’s on a 25 ha land parcel, the rest of which is herbal ley and temporary grass. It’s says I can only do 15 ha of no insecticide in this fieid which makes no sense at all.
Also, as regards start dates, do we have to start work on the options within 12 months of application sign up? I think we do. But does “start work” mean for example discing stubbles in the autumn ready for drilling birdseed into a stale seedbed next spring or the drilling next spring seen as the start of the action in which case I’m too early to apply now?

Can't do any no insecticide if it's a part parcel anyway.

 

[Hindsight]

Can’t seem to do no insecticide on 10 ha of spring barley that’s on a 25 ha land parcel, the rest of which is herbal ley and temporary grass. It’s says I can only do 15 ha of no insecticide in this fieid which makes no sense at all.
Also, as regards start dates, do we have to start work on the options within 12 months of application sign up? I think we do. But does “start work” mean for example discing stubbles in the autumn ready for drilling birdseed into a stale seedbed next spring or the drilling next spring seen as the start of the action in which case I’m too early to apply now?

Can't do any no insecticide if it's a part parcel anyway.

Dr W can I hazard a guess your areas are 10ha barley, 5 ha Temporary Grass (no specific code), 10 ha Herbal Ley (SAM3). If so then the computer is correct but you now you shouldn't place IPM4 on the Temporary Grass but the computer will not allow that.

 

[Hindsight]

Can’t seem to do no insecticide on 10 ha of spring barley that’s on a 25 ha land parcel, the rest of which is herbal ley and temporary grass. It’s says I can only do 15 ha of no insecticide in this fieid which makes no sense at all.
Also, as regards start dates, do we have to start work on the options within 12 months of application sign up? I think we do. But does “start work” mean for example discing stubbles in the autumn ready for drilling birdseed into a stale seedbed next spring or the drilling next spring seen as the start of the action in which case I’m too early to apply now?

You have to establish the option within 12 months of agreement start date. So you are refering to Bird Cover establishment in Spring 2025, if so that Bird Cover will not be on the application. Bird Cover included on the application will be sown in Spring 2024.

 

[DrWazzock]

Dr W can I hazard a guess your areas are 10ha barley, 5 ha Temporary Grass (no specific code), 10 ha Herbal Ley (SAM3). If so then the computer is correct but you now you shouldn't place IPM4 on the Temporary Grass but the computer will not allow that.

It’s says I can only have 15 ha of non insecticide not 10 ha. I was only going to have 10 ha of non insecticide on my 10 ha of spring barley, not non insecticide on the herbal ley or bog standard temp grass.
Anyway if I can’t have non insecticide on part parcel then that’s that.
And so if I apply on May 31st I can sow my birdseed on 30th May 2025 surely?

 

[DrWazzock]

I’d quite like to have the cash to buy the birdseed before I drill it hence apply well before.

 

[Zippy768]

Split the parcel so you have 2 parcel numbers….

How quickly can that be done?

 

[DrWazzock]

I notice on the website that they mention they can close the scheme with 6 weeks notice. Wonder how close they are to that?
You know I’m almost tempted to rip out 25 acres of sh!t wheat just to make sure I get the birdseed and pollinator mix in this spring. I’ve spent nowt on it yet other than drilling and HSS.

 

[Zippy768]

Can't do any no insecticide if it's a part parcel anyway.

That's what I thought, but i have an 8hectare field that we are putting in 0.5hectare of margin.
I put 0.5ht as wild flowers IPM2 and 7.5ht a no insecticide.
No red warning when clicking the big green button

 

[Zippy768]

I notice on the website that they mention they can close the scheme with 6 weeks notice. Wonder how close they are to that?
You know I’m almost tempted to rip out 25 acres of sh!t wheat just to make sure I get the birdseed and pollinator mix in this spring. I’ve spent nowt on it yet other than drilling and HSS.

I think that warning was in relation to application that had been started but not completed.
They will give a 6 week notice for u to complete or it will be removed

 

[farmerm]

I notice on the website that they mention they can close the scheme with 6 weeks notice. Wonder how close they are to that?
You know I’m almost tempted to rip out 25 acres of sh!t wheat just to make sure I get the birdseed and pollinator mix in this spring. I’ve spent nowt on it yet other than drilling and HSS.

They have no intention of closing the scheme anytime soon, that would be a colossal embarrassment given it has barely got started. I dont have to rip sh!t out, its either still in the bag or lost already... I would rip out another 25ac for more Spring drilled SFI but I am not (quite) ready to give up growing entirely!

 

[Aspiring Peasants]

I got a SFI offer, but decided I didn’t want to accept it because I’d changed my mind on the options selected. I rejected it yesterday morning and tried to do a new application today but the old one is still showing as active so it won’t let me. Does anyone know how long it takes for this to sort itself out? Spoke to someone on the helpline yesterday who said they had to do something at their end and it should update overnight but it hasn’t