sfi- the return of the barley baron?

[Fish]

With potential £229/Ha on the table for s barley under sfi, are we about to see the return of the barley baron.
Been looking at sfi, i guess like many farmers, weigh up all the options, ipm1, sam1,2,3, num 1,2,3 …..hrw…..ahl… so on and so on , a bit of this and a bit of that, and it all starts to become a dogs breakfast, with the danger that the sfi tail starts to wag the farm dog.

So this afternoon I took the kiss route, and there it is, continuous s barley ?
229 + hss, 1 herb, 1 fungi, 120kg n ?, yes I won’t make a fortune, but I won’t spend one either.

Back to the future?

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[teslacoils]

tbh, thats how I grow spring barley when I have to anyway. Apart from I use digestate instead of bagged fert. Dont forget that you may also get a payment for direct drilling it as time goes by...

 

[goodevans]

tbh, thats how I grow spring barley when I have to anyway. Apart from I use digestate instead of bagged fert. Dont forget that you may also get a payment for direct drilling it as time goes by...

and no insecticide

 

[teslacoils]

and no insecticide

I think the above example probably has that included in the figures. I dont use any.

 

[Neddy flanders]

Forgive me, where is there a flat rate £229/ha ?

 

[Neddy flanders]

Surely continuous SB undersown with Wild Bird seed, paying £650/ha is on the table.

 

[Clive]

With potential £229/Ha on the table for s barley under sfi, are we about to see the return of the barley baron.
Been looking at sfi, i guess like many farmers, weigh up all the options, ipm1, sam1,2,3, num 1,2,3 …..hrw…..ahl… so on and so on , a bit of this and a bit of that, and it all starts to become a dogs breakfast, with the danger that the sfi tail starts to wag the farm dog.

So this afternoon I took the kiss route, and there it is, continuous s barley ?
229 + hss, 1 herb, 1 fungi, 120kg n ?, yes I won’t make a fortune, but I won’t spend one either.

Back to the future?

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You can do much better than continious barley if you aim to maximuse SFI. You will need to farm a rotation of food and envronmental outputs to achieve it however

i think thats what DEFRA want

 

[Hindsight]

You can do much better than continious barley if you aim to maximuse SFI. You will need to farm a rotation of food and envronmental outputs to achieve it however

i think thats what DEFRA want

Defra is goin to run out of cash.

 

[Hindsight]

Surely continuous SB undersown with Wild Bird seed, paying £650/ha is on the table.

Are you going to start double cropping your thin brash Neddy? Spring Barley sown March onwards with AHL 2 undersown and leave until Feb 28th following year then repeat?

 

[teslacoils]

Defra is goin to run out of cash.

Not at the moment. Very few SFi applications in I hear.

 

[Neddy flanders]

Are you going to start double cropping your thin brash Neddy? Spring Barley sown March onwards with AHL 2 undersown and leave until Feb 28th following year then repeat?

Nearly. Wheat/AlH2/spring oats

 

[Hindsight]

Not at the moment. Very few SFi applications in I hear.

Mmm. Wait until a few weeks into New Year and then come back to me.

 

[Hindsight]

Nearly. Wheat/AlH2/spring oats

I get confused with these sequences folk post Neddy. SO for clarity which years are those in:

1: 24 harvest Wheat, followed by AHL2 then Oats for harvest 25.

2 24 Harvest Wheat followed by AHL2 in 2025 and then Oats for harvest 2026.

 

[Against_the_grain]

Option 1

 

[Fish]

Option 1

Option 1, might work in the south, but even there you are playing with fire, but up here in N Yorks, no chance.

 

[BigBarl]

Just be wary that with continuous barley comes a significant risk of ramularia. We bought some reclaimed land that we tried this on as we thought it was too drought prone for wheat - got in about three years before we had to stop because ramularia was just killing the crop dead by about May. Just for reference this land had never grown barley before we took it on, and it was mainly winter barley we were growing but the spring barley suffered the same fate in rotation.

 

[Jo28]

whats the £229 for?

 

[ajd132]

Just be wary that with continuous barley comes a significant risk of ramularia. We bought some reclaimed land that we tried this on as we thought it was too drought prone for wheat - got in about three years before we had to stop because ramularia was just killing the crop dead by about May. Just for reference this land had never grown barley before we took it on, and it was mainly winter barley we were growing but the spring barley suffered the same fate in rotation.

yes, I have heard this from people who have tried to grow spring barley for over 3 years to control black grass. ive done two spring barleys in a row and there is definitely an increase in pressure.

 

[Hindsight]

whats the £229 for?

SAM2 £129
IPM3 £55
IPM4 £45

 

[Jo28]

but SAM2 is far from free