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ollie989898
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If your temperatures variation is anything like it is here I would not expect CCC to work very well yet. Had 3 frosts in a row so far in as many days. Not a cloud in sight and will no doubt see one again tonight.
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I can always sense in the air when the first chlormequat day arrives. Despite high daytime temps I haven't had the feeling of a CCC day yet.
ollie989898
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Farmer I know used to have an old cat for this kind of prediction. The first day the cat was laid out on the windowsill in the sun looking like it had been shot was nitrogen day.
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Scottish Colleges (I think) did work once to prove it doesn't.
I like it when you give us a definitive answer. You are a valuable member of the forum! On a similar theme when Moddus first came out it was recommended at higher rates and some crops (including ours) nearly died. I believe some people got compensation. A neighbour, understandably was nervous after our experience and used much lower rates but in 3 years of farm trials got a significant yield benefit in winter barley.
ollie989898
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I have used moddus many many times in mid March, along with CCC.
0.05L is not going to do anything though.
For the most forward wheats, and I'm talking fertile dirt, I would potentially do 0.3L +1L 3C and 0.3L + 1L 3C; one dose in March and the other in April to concur with fungicide timings.
I have never claimed moddus caused additional rooting (I used to sell chemicals remember): that is an old fashioned belief that gets trotted out like some kind of gospel, I spoke with many many different people about it over my time and there isnt any definite evidence it does cause additional rooting.
Even the above might not be enough and you could end up going with canopy again at a later timing, all depended what the crop looked like come the time.
EDIT: my memory may be wrong about rates in this instance before anyone charges off and applies moddus to their wheat.
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yellow belly
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- south west lincolnshire
this year may be the first for a long time I may use some
notill with graften over the last 5 years
this year basset looking much more like a 1980s crop if it is still warm in 2 weeks may even use the split dose although with soils with less n released than they used to do 30 years ago (mid September emergence then )the risk of lodging is much reduced despite higher seed rates
notill with graften over the last 5 years
this year basset looking much more like a 1980s crop if it is still warm in 2 weeks may even use the split dose although with soils with less n released than they used to do 30 years ago (mid September emergence then )the risk of lodging is much reduced despite higher seed rates
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0.3 is far too high to be safe. I always tell growers they can apply up to 0.2, but it must be in two applications of 0.1 each
Moddus is a gibberellic acid inhibitor, like CCC so if it enhances rooting it's no more than CCC would.
@ollie989898 said nice dirt, it must have a 100t/ac cow sh!t under it for Moddus rates like that. i would never dare....
I'm like you @Fromebridge a 0.1 man.
ollie989898
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I can't remember precisely, it might have been 0.2 and 0.2 come to think of it, basically the maximum dose but in two smaller doses. I certainly remember using 0.150 and 0.150 as well- wouldn't put me off.
This would be on September sown wheats on very fertile land so a far cry from what might be typical arable programs.
Unfortunately I have long since chucked all my years of field notes out, otherwise a quite rummage about and I could have told you. I don't think moddus is anything like as scary as people believe. I can imagine that applying 0.6 to barley in one hit could be a bit much though.
Then you get into the can't mix moddus with herbicides thing as well.
I must bow to your greater knowledge but unfortunately I have neither a firm recollection of what I have done previously nor any actual notes that reflected the decision making at the time.
ollie989898
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I know a lot of people who would rarely have cause to use it. I'd go and walk around their fields with them in March, see these wussy cereal plants about the size of your palm and no higher than an inch and then show them photos from my phone of wheat drilled slightly earlier where you could not see the dirt.
Here you go, this is a second wheat, photo taken on 10th March 2015. Hasn't had a sniff of anything besides the autumn stuff yet. The question is how much nitrogen is going to make itself available as the soil warms up and how much will arrive in the form of prills, and when, given that the guy growing the stuff is more accustomed to growing grass- more must be better school of thought. Plenty of stuff around your ankles already this year judging by the stuff I drive past.
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- Leicestershire
I'll go to 0.15 on wheat in a single dose in exceptional circumstances. Usually 0.1 up to twice if needed. Barley is different, especially hybrid where I'll stretch it to 0.2 in a single dose if I think it's needed. Certainly one to not use full label rates!!
ollie989898
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Not many people use full label rates for the sheer fact you would go bankrupt. At least 3c and moddus a fairly cheap!
Chae1
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- Aberdeenshire
Ive a recommendation to apply canopy on winter barley, just got N today. Forecast looks more seasonal going forward.
I would say very cheap. 0.1 moddus and 1lit CCC is circa £3.80/ha and thats still sub £8/ha with 2 doses. Very cheap insurance in a lot of cases.
When?
ollie989898
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Cheaper than canopy and cerone! Sooner clout the crop with a dose of 3c and moddus than have to buy canopy later
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- Lincolnshire.
I will be putting 2lt/ha of ccc on in about 3/4 weeks time. Far too early for wheat yet. Tried moddus last year for some strange reason. I don’t think I will bother again ccc good enough on it’s own IMO.