Spencer
Member
- Location
- North West
I'd quite like to spray with a helicopter...
Should the NFU hold a OMOV referendum on Red Tractor?
- Thread starter Clive
- Start date
- Location
- Hereford
P.S. I am amused with your name too .....they usually stir up !
- Location
- Portsmouth
This was not meant to be a pee taking comment....maybe I used the wrong word. Bosses? Management?Superiors
Anyway it was meant as a genuine, non pee taking comment and if @snarling bee took it the wrong way I apologise.
Steevo
Member
- Location
- Gloucestershire
I know, it just made me laugh. I think Mr Blenk and the like come across like they do see themselves as superior to the average farmer.
Well, of course they are.... I think we have all come across people like this as we have wandered through life?
Well I have, but I am but a Peasant.
- Location
- Acton Scott, South Shropshire
I have done both - and posted on here the strange response from the NFU
- Location
- Acton Scott, South Shropshire
I think it s important that someone who holds an opinion is able to express it here whether it is in the minority or majority and i commend you for saying what you feel
Steevo
Member
- Location
- Gloucestershire
I think it s important that someone who holds an opinion is able to express it here whether it is in the minority or majority and i commend you for saying what you feel
Totally agree. Something TFF does very well imo in giving farmers a voice.
- Location
- Bedfordshire
It is well worth speaking to your NFU representative, I spoke at length with mine this afternoon, you maybe pleasantly surprised with how the conversation goes!
you are missing the point - farmers clearly do not trust the consultation, its seems very much a foregone conclusion that it will result in gold plating
I filled in the consultation ages ago - does that mean i should not continue to express what i think in any other way ? is the purpose of the consultation just to silence ?
A lot of farmers also seem to have lost trust in the NFU to stand against gold plating and higher costs - leadership has made clear already they fully support RT
No mention being made by NFU or RT of what a lot clearly want which is the SAME standard as imports ie scrap farm level assurance altogether ........ that conversation should at least be being had
- Location
- Bedfordshire
Maybe it is being had, yet with the reception they receive on here from some they feel they wont engage online. Hardly surprising when your mate wanksfarmer is rude to @Guy Smith on twitter and gets blocked and you call for Guy to be sacked! Not really an adult argument and a sure fast way to loose all credibility with our case.
- Location
- MK43
Would definitely second this, having spoken to our County chairman and Stuart Roberts earlier. They do understand the strength of feeling that we have, only time will tell how it works out, but do speak to them to let them know how you feel.
I have come to the firm view that there is nothing to be gained from NFU office holders engaging on here. I tried it on several occasions with Guy Smith, it just doesn't work.
What I do, absolutely, want NFU office holders - and staff - to do is to take stuff posted on here for what it is: ideas and suggestions to help them in doing their job of representing the industry.
All criticism is constructive. Any elected representative should remind themselves of that daily.
there is nothing wrong with holding people paid to represent to account, imagine our political system without any opposition ? what would our government inevitably become under such a situation ....... china probably given enough time !
voters, media and opposition politicians call for ministers that don’t seem to be doing a good job to be sacked or justify their actions
should people like Guy / Minette/ Tom / Mosley etc go unopposed / un-questioned ?
MP’s don’t refuse to go on BBC Question Time because someone might disagree with them or feel they are incapable of doing their job ! People in such positions need to grow thick skin and deal with it even when some cross the line and insult them, public positions are no place for snowflakes and those affraid of public scrutiny
RT and the NFU have some very important questions to answer right and should not be left to decide all this behind closed doors and unaccountably
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If they can't cope with/ be paid for the banter and stuff that basically made me actually lol,
then surely they are fit / suitable enough for the challenge of that job.
- Location
- Bedfordshire
Come on @Clive lee was just trying to be a smart arse on Twitter and get a reaction out of Guy, that’s playground behaviour and you should not have backed him up in saying Guy should be sacked. This is an adult difference of opinion (and an important one at that) let’s not lower ourselves to childish behaviour. Maybe @warksfarmer should stay out of this if his level of debate is calling people a (quote) penis and being a smart arse on social media, it doesn’t help however high feelings are running. I and many others are with you but childish behaviour will loose the battle before it’s started.
SilliamWhale
Member
BUT doesn't this go to the nub of our frustrations?
You as an NFU man (but obviously you are your own person first) know that the consultation is written so the results can be skewed. Lots of us feel that. Probably most of us.
But again there is this massive conflict of interest that has been bubbling under for years - NFU own the scheme but appear not able to influence it in a way that would allow them to ask questions or construct the consultation in a manner that would allow us to express resistance to new made up standards and possibly even recognise that farmers are not willing to give away things for free just to access a market that international rivals can access with no such restrictions.
I've seen on twitter Tom and Stuart saying "just make sure you all reply to the consultation" which I'm taking as a sort of nod and wink towards saying "give it hell on the consultation as we don't agree with it either" but you can't be certain because no one will express their views publicly.
Minette Batters who is clearly foresquare behind all the extra nonsense. And poor old Guy top chap that he is, is totally compromised because he is now employed by Red Tractor.
I am not an NFU member and none of this is personal. My opinion doesn't matter to the NFU as I'm not a member and that is absolutely fair enough but I am under duress to pay for their Red Tractor scheme and I think we have a right to influence the direction of it because it is in all practical terms - a monopolistic scheme whereby you need to pay for a right to access a market. Its just really wrong.
Its such a bloody mess. It is really really important we stand up to this .Why?
1. Because if we don't the tentacles will continue to increase, the precedent for paying for market access is now already set via Red Tractor. This is seen as an industry to harvest for lots of the quality control sector.
2. The "rules" are becoming increasingly arbitrary, irrelavent and outside the remit of both the assessor and the assessed.
3. We cannot as farmers even begin to talk about suppliers not behaving if we don't recognise that our own Red Tractor organisation is itself a monopoly and unrestricted.
4. We are hamstringing our own farmers for no good reason beyond puffing up Red Tractors feathers.
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- Location
- Bedfordshire
If only I could be in the three valley’s or st Anton right now.
Go fu. ck yourself.
I've never been skiing in my life.
And currently lambing ( my 44th actually ) in shite weather,
I'll speak like I do for good reason thanks , and you nor any faux peasant will deter.
Lol.