Silage / Straw / Hay Price Tracker

[Sid]

Can somebody clarify please:

Farmer bales, stacks and loads and gets £50/tonne. His costs are probably in the region of £15/t assuming 500kg weight bales so net £35/t and then has to account for the lost OM and nutrients.

Buyer is paying £90/tonne delivered.

So the merchant is creaming £40/tonne for haulage. Assuming a 19t load (38 hestons) he’s getting £760 and will do two loads a day or picking straw up as a backload.

Glad we’ve sold privately at £70/ac with no costs other than the lost OM and nutrients leaving the field.

You wouldn't do 2 loads a day to most places in Devon or further west

 

[Shebb90]

Barley will be £90t+ down here, more than likely up/down £100t by a fiver delivered in ex field.

I was told month ago £95

 

[bobk]

Merchants always make their margin...

The art of good business is being a good middle man..

The art of business is to do without the middleman .

 

[Sid]

Don't forget the drag. We get 27/28 ton at a time

Artic can be cheaper to "hire" as more around, but get less on

 

[gone up the hill]

I was told month ago £95

Yea could be anywhere between £95/105 ton currently.

Few lots sold at auction here have been making £80/90 ton ex farm for barley.

 

[Derrick Hughes]

Can somebody clarify please:

Farmer bales, stacks and loads and gets £50/tonne. His costs are probably in the region of £15/t assuming 500kg weight bales so net £35/t and then has to account for the lost OM and nutrients.

Buyer is paying £90/tonne delivered.

So the merchant is creaming £40/tonne for haulage. Assuming a 19t load (38 hestons) he’s getting £760 and will do two loads a day or picking straw up as a backload.

Glad we’ve sold privately at £70/ac with no costs other than the lost OM and nutrients leaving the field.

Stop spouting rubbish [emoji1]

You wont load barley for less than 65 atm if you can get haulage from anyone for much less than £30 ton from the east coast then drive on, and that's not merchants . That's lorries looking for back loads
And will hardly do one load a day .

And honest answer , dealing I straw is a waste of time , but keeps the wagons running for better paid work . A lot of loads dont cover the cost . If you dont believe that . Come to my office and I will show you the Bill's and invoices

 

[Werzle]

Merchants always make their margin...

The art of good business is being a good middle man..

I havent seen many hay and straw merchants make a fortune , its as bad as contracting.

 

[Derrick Hughes]

I havent seen many hay and straw merchants make a fortune , its as bad as contracting.

Like I said waste of time ,

 

[Werzle]

I thought the recent rain had improved the fodder situation but crops locally are baling up to nothing and some silage crops have been awful. Cake prices are already high and i can see we are sleep walking into a very expensive winter. A bad autumn and early winter will be serious.

 

[som farmer]

You wouldn't do 2 loads a day to most places in Devon or further west

there's places west of you, they couldn't even get to !

 

[Brisel]

Can somebody clarify please:

Farmer bales, stacks and loads and gets £50/tonne. His costs are probably in the region of £15/t assuming 500kg weight bales so net £35/t and then has to account for the lost OM and nutrients.

Buyer is paying £90/tonne delivered.

So the merchant is creaming £40/tonne for haulage. Assuming a 19t load (38 hestons) he’s getting £760 and will do two loads a day or picking straw up as a backload.

Glad we’ve sold privately at £70/ac with no costs other than the lost OM and nutrients leaving the field.

What is the rejection rate at the other end? One of my neighbours is a straw merchant. He has had entire loads rejected for dubious reasons e.g. Moisture. That's a journey back again from the depths of Devon or Cornwall to unload, reload and hope he still has the backload. He needs a margin for a degree of risk. He is certainly picky enough about when he bales it!

If you can capture some of that value, good for you. You're selling goods, not a commodity

 

[livestock 1]

I used to lead all my own straw with my own wagon. I would agree it’s not wort arsing on with. Picking up the phone looks dear until you get your calculator out. I used to bale it as well that was even worse.

 

[som farmer]

in on a lorry, and pay when due, easiest way

 

[Skintagain]

I used to lead all my own straw with my own wagon. I would agree it’s not wort arsing on with. Picking up the phone looks dear until you get your calculator out. I used to bale it as well that was even worse.

People who have only ever had it delivered wouldn’t believe you if you told them.

Baler’s breaking
Weather breaking
Turning black straw that is worthless
Arable farmers cultivating around bales an screaming at you
Blow out at midnight
6 weeklys For wagons
Operators for wagons
White diesel for wagons
Vosa
Straw fields with ditches dug in gateholes to stop coursers driving in
Kids cutting bales
Kids burning bales
Kids burning straw in swath
Kids climbing up loads whilst your loading other trailer
Kids/adults trying to burn loads as you drive through (throwing cigarettes into loads whilst your at traffic lights) - we have fetched straw from some bad areas - Bales cannot be left over night without someone there lumping bales up all night long keeping guard on the stack.

 

[som farmer]

People who have only ever had it delivered wouldn’t believe you if you told them.

Baler’s breaking
Weather breaking
Turning black straw that is worthless
Arable farmers cultivating around bales an screaming at you
Blow out at midnight
6 weeklys For wagons
Operators for wagons
White diesel for wagons
Vosa
Straw fields with ditches dug in gateholes to stop coursers driving in
Kids cutting bales
Kids burning bales
Kids burning straw in swath
Kids climbing up loads whilst your loading other trailer
Kids/adults trying to burn loads as you drive through (throwing cigarettes into loads whilst your at traffic lights) - we have fetched straw from some bad areas - Bales cannot be left over night without someone there lumping bales up all night long keeping guard on the stack.

I stand by my view, we have a regular supplier, who tells us if any dodgy bales, and he's paid when due ! And we can work with him.

 

[livestock 1]

People who have only ever had it delivered wouldn’t believe you if you told them.

Baler’s breaking
Weather breaking
Turning black straw that is worthless
Arable farmers cultivating around bales an screaming at you
Blow out at midnight
6 weeklys For wagons
Operators for wagons
White diesel for wagons
Vosa
Straw fields with ditches dug in gateholes to stop coursers driving in
Kids cutting bales
Kids burning bales
Kids burning straw in swath
Kids climbing up loads whilst your loading other trailer
Kids/adults trying to burn loads as you drive through (throwing cigarettes into loads whilst your at traffic lights) - we have fetched straw from some bad areas - Bales cannot be left over night without someone there lumping bales up all night long keeping guard on the stack.

One million % true!
I have had all of them!
Can I add some you’ve missed if you don’t mind?
You haven’t missed many!
Kids rolling bales into becks
Kids pinching straps left on top of loaded trailers.
Having to get hold of twice as many trailers as you have tractor units running backwards and forwards
Working mainly at night
Getting stuck
Waiting to get loaded/unloaded (probably worse than all the rest put together)
Having to pay kids not to fire/cut strings/wreck loads
Kids hiding in swaths

 

[Skintagain]

I stand by my view, we have a regular supplier, who tells us if any dodgy bales, and he's paid when due ! And we can work with him.

It works both ways as with anything. I’m not having a go at you. To be fair you sound like a decent customer.

My dad is a terrible customer for anyone to sell him things I feel sorry for anyone he approaches to buy something. They won’t make anything out of him and then all he does is moan anyway but they will be paid on delivery albeit with endless moaning as he gives them the cheque

 

[Skintagain]

One million % true!
I have had all of them!
Can I add some you’ve missed if you don’t mind?
You haven’t missed many!
Kids rolling bales into becks
Kids pinching straps left on top of loaded trailers.
Having to get hold of twice as many trailers as you have tractor units running backwards and forwards
Working mainly at night
Getting stuck
Waiting to get loaded/unloaded (probably worse than all the rest put together)
Having to pay kids not to fire/cut strings/wreck loads
Kids hiding in swaths

Once when I was a kid had about 400 small bales made into a palace where they had all spent the night smoking weed!!!! Bit annoying having to put them all back into flat 8’s mind you to load them

 

[Henarar]

in on a lorry, and pay when due, easiest way

Maybe but not the cheapest

 

[livestock 1]

Once when I was a kid had about 400 small bales made into a palace where they had all spent the night smoking weed!!!! Bit annoying having to put them all back into flat 8’s mind you to load them

First memory I had as a youngster with straw going back into history was father baling with a 135 and ih 440 baler. Mother and me putting them into 17’s at one end of the field and the stookes we’d put up on fire at the other end of the field. 10 o’clock at night dark pre 80’s probably