Spraying W Wheat

[willy]

My neighbours are organic and grow the same variety as me (Edgar).

They yielded 1.98 tonnes acre, I yielded 3.5 tonnes. They had no signs of disease, it was drilled in last week of September, same as mine. So for a extra 1.5 tonnes I had to throw 220kgs fert,4 fungicides, 2 herbicides, growth reg insecticides.

Maybe I should set my sights lower, they also grow wheat 2 in 6 years

 

[Still Farming]

all for £70 a tonne - mad ant'it ?

 

[CORK]

Well @CORK is saying they are starting to do it much more in Ireland in his area.

Yes, winter barley sowings exceeded winter wheat sowings for the first time ever in 2015. Winter barley was almost extinct here a few years ago.
The reasons are simple enough - increased yield potential in WB from new varieties, very strong fungicide options and less risk from fusarium and sprouting.
That said, winter wheat did very very well here in 2015 and in most cases would have left more profit than WB.

Some guys growing continuous WB have run into trouble with sterile brome meaning that they have to rearrange their rotations.

 

[CORK]

I'm surprised that Septoria resistant to SDHI fungicide hasn't been found in England yet - or may be the results have yet to be released ?

South of Ireland work suggests that metconazole is pretty useful in septoria control. Or that South of Ireland races of septoria are particularly sensitive to metconazole.
@CORK

Hasn't the latest AHDB release stated that isolates of Septoria resistant to SDHI's have been found before now in both the UK and in Europe?
The Wales & West of England would have Septoria pressure quite similar to that in most of Ireland. I'm on the south coast of Ireland and the pressure is most extreme. Yield potential is also very high here.

Some races may be somewhat sensitive to Metconazole but since races will vary even between neighbouring fields here not to mind over larger areas, I would be careful to recommend it (I never rated it for Septoria in the first place).
We will have our national Tillage (arable) conference here in late January, we will as normal get the full results of the tests undertaken on fungicide/Septoria interactions over the year.

 

[warksfarmer]

Agronomist dropped in Friday, today I got a rec sheet for spraying W Wheat for aphid/BYDV anyone else been doing/having to do this ?

Apologies to those who are getting a soaking ( tin hat on )

Not sprayed the wheat at all yet.

Your being conned.

 

[warksfarmer]

A tied agronomist is not going to benefit financially very much from a cyper + manganese spray.
IF I could make that spray I would go ahead, just too wet here now so not prepared to risk it, keep thinking it may dry up next week, but have been hoping that for last 2 months!
I do use an independent by the way.

The agronomist is controlled.

Imagine the profit to the company when that 'cheap' rec is multiplied by 20,000 customers!

 

[warksfarmer]

This thread shows exactly why agriculture is blamed for environmental issues, because we are causing them if lots of people are applying chemicals for no reason.

People have/are sat in rooms creating problems to then force products onto farmers to eradicate those created problems. However 9 times out of 10 there wasn't a problem in the first place.

 

[shakerator]

This thread shows exactly why agriculture is blamed for environmental issues, because we are causing them if lots of people are applying chemicals for no reason.

People have/are sat in rooms creating problems to then force products onto farmers to eradicate those created problems. However 9 times out of 10 there wasn't a problem in the first place.

It is FIFTEEN degrees out there overnight. Aphids will be reproducing quickly

 

[stel]

This thread shows exactly why agriculture is blamed for environmental issues, because we are causing them if lots of people are applying chemicals for no reason.

People have/are sat in rooms creating problems to then force products onto farmers to eradicate those created problems. However 9 times out of 10 there wasn't a problem in the first place.

I think it's what's called insurance spraying like anything else you insure for it only seems worthwhile when it's needed and we can't farm on hindsight.

 

[franklin]

As with the Kerb, even if I wanted to be spraying, its either blowing a gale or the land is too wet to go.

 

[david]

Hasn't the latest AHDB release stated that isolates of Septoria resistant to SDHI's have been found before now in both the UK and in Europe?
The Wales & West of England would have Septoria pressure quite similar to that in most of Ireland. I'm on the south coast of Ireland and the pressure is most extreme. Yield potential is also very high here.

Some races may be somewhat sensitive to Metconazole but since races will vary even between neighbouring fields here not to mind over larger areas, I would be careful to recommend it (I never rated it for Septoria in the first place).
We will have our national Tillage (arable) conference here in late January, we will as normal get the full results of the tests undertaken on fungicide/Septoria interactions over the year.

AHDB didn't mention anything about England/Wales SDHI resistance at the Agronomists conference early this month, but did announce the work done in Southern Ireland.

Be interested if the guys expand on SDHI at your Tillage Conference in Jan. Jonathan Blake did mention that a fluxapyroxad + metconazole co-form product was available in Southern Ireland, would be good with a decent slug of epoxy or prothio, but maybe getting a bit expensive against current value of wheat.

 

[CORK]

http://cereals.ahdb.org.uk/media/782818/FRAG-SDHI-Statement-December-2015-.pdf

Please see isolates found in UK and France in 2012.

Net blotch is quite a concern too and is moving fast enough as far as I know.

I was always shocked that Chem companies sell straight sdhi's without pre mixed partners. I've seen the straight BASF sdhi applied to barley mixed only with Bravo - talk about a good way to breed resistant barley disease......

 

[Adeptandy]

As with the Kerb, even if I wanted to be spraying, its either blowing a gale or the land is too wet to go.

Same here, farms right on the side of the village and winds been blowing that way constantly, to many camera phones and do gooders to risk it, or I'm just being over cautious

 

[Adeptandy]

When I started this thread I didn't expect it to make 8 pages, and must confess to being encouraged by the wealth of discussion over a so called cheap application. This is what I find inspiring about TFF, we can all have an opinion without it getting it getting bitchy ( unlike another couple of forums to do with the other business ) I've always been concerned about a blanket insecticide that takes out beneficials and have always tried to avoid spraying them if at all possible so have been encouraged with @Clive and others comments, but also encouraged to do it by others on here, so here I still sit on the fence, part of me wanting to go spraying, but the other part consoling myself that as its to windy, maybe it will be better not to spray. The one thing for certain is, come the summer one part of me will be right, but until then we won't know, oh the joys of farming

 

[franklin]

Same here, farms right on the side of the village and winds been blowing that way constantly, to many camera phones and do gooders to risk it, or I'm just being over cautious

Nope. Wise.

Do-gooders + Clipboards spouting "statutory duty to investigate anything referred to them" = :sad face:

 

[warksfarmer]

It is FIFTEEN degrees out there overnight. Aphids will be reproducing quickly

Have you looked?

Are they really? Or have we all been led to believe they are over the last 20 yrs.

Probably the best thing that could happen if if you loose the crop now because nobody's making any money at £100/tonne!

In my view now is the time to sit back and slash costs. Forget about ability of the crop and set a budget now. Farm saved seed untreated, 1 x herbicide, 2 x fungicide, 200kgN, desiccate.

No p & k. No insecticides, No shdi.

That's good for 3-3.3t/ac on most soils and which is as cheap as it gets.

 

[stel]

Have you looked?

Are they really? Or have we all been led to believe they are over the last 20 yrs.

Probably the best thing that could happen if if you loose the crop now because nobody's making any money at £100/tonne!

In my view now is the time to sit back and slash costs. Forget about ability of the crop and set a budget now. Farm saved seed untreated, 1 x herbicide, 2 x fungicide, 200kgN, desiccate.

No p & k. No insecticides, No shdi.

That's good for 3-3.3t/ac on most soils and which is as cheap as it gets.

Have you looked? Had Bydv in the past not good and doesn't really show till late in the season.

 

[shakerator]

Have you looked?

Are they really? Or have we all been led to believe they are over the last 20 yrs.

Probably the best thing that could happen if if you loose the crop now because nobody's making any money at £100/tonne!

In my view now is the time to sit back and slash costs. Forget about ability of the crop and set a budget now. Farm saved seed untreated, 1 x herbicide, 2 x fungicide, 200kgN, desiccate.

No p & k. No insecticides, No shdi.

That's good for 3-3.3t/ac on most soils and which is as cheap as it gets.

Yes

I sprayed late October and am considering another on second cereals with green bridge reservoir. I agree with a lot of your sentiment but what you state above is ironic , ie "forget about the ability of the crop" is surely the mentality that drives prophylactic applications

 

[Thomas Simpson]

Waiting for the wind to drop to get 2nd dose of mn on. I can see an odd patch of mn deficiency already ,but the land is poor for nutrients. Never had to do 2 mn sprays in the autumn before.

 

[Clive]

Waiting for the wind to drop to get 2nd dose of mn on. I can see an odd patch of mn deficiency already ,but the land is poor for nutrients. Never had to do 2 mn sprays in the autumn before.

I use to have to spray constantly for Mn, crops would die of deficiency in patches most years, never really see MN deficiency now although we still apply it with fungicides