Spring barley seed rates

[Trying]

TBF barley of any sort but especially spring isn't really a black land crop....
Though I have some hybrid in a field with black patches
A lot of black land growers just grow wheat and roots..... What's your thinking about growing barley?

It's BG.
Only have 40ac. Will have less or none next turn.

 

[Flat 10]

It's BG.

Hmmmm. BG sucks. If I had a whole field of really black I think I would prefer spring wheat but its no where near as competitive as barley.

 

[JCfarmer]

It's T=1000 in TGW rather than TGW=100 for a reason. The extra time in reducing your sampling error by 1/(10^2) is worth it / buying a seed counting thing.

Have you got your seed counting thing? They count in 200s from what I can see, I will count 200 and weigh x 5. Germination is 98%.

 

[JCfarmer]

Target seed rate for light sandy land, 350 seeds or too much?

 

[yellow belly]

looking 370 seed per m at 52 tgw on certified seed for april planting

 

[JCfarmer]

Been drilling spring barley today, 52tgw as well, went with 360 seeds on some light land with a nice seedbed. 188kg/ha.

 

[Try to succeed]

Has anyone gone over 450-500 seeds with spring barley? Looking at Dick Neale's blackgrass strategy, I'm wondering if there are any farmers that have used high seed rates to combat it? What's the highest seed rate people have gone before it has gone flat?

 

[Brisel]

It can go flat with 350 seeds/m2 with 140 kg of N

 

[Try to succeed]

It can go flat with 350 seeds/m2 with 140 kg of N

Is that variety dependant though? People seem to think Planet responds differently to other varieties? What about PGR strategy too? Keep it as short as poss?

 

[Brisel]

That was Propino with a very high establishment rate. I'm new to Planet so will be watching it carefully. I've no hesitation about using Terpal if it looks tall later on.

 

[shakerator]

We have to sow more seed in Scotland.If buying new seed,we have to pay more royalties per acre than our Southern friends.NOT FAIR.

ill swap you for some northern privileges!

 

[JCfarmer]

Has anyone gone over 450-500 seeds with spring barley? Looking at Dick Neale's blackgrass strategy, I'm wondering if there are any farmers that have used high seed rates to combat it? What's the highest seed rate people have gone before it has gone flat?

Yes I have on heavy land with black grass, it stood well but wasn't allowed to get too tall. Bushel weight was still good at about 68.

 

[TelesnaAg]

That was Propino with a very high establishment rate. I'm new to Planet so will be watching it carefully. I've no hesitation about using Terpal if it looks tall later on.

Pics of planet please!!! its next variety i will try here in Oz...

Ant...

 

[Brisel]

Here's a photo of my Planet so far...

 

[solo]

 

[TelesnaAg]

Its thriving...be a bumper crop for shizzle...

Ant..

 

[TelesnaAg]

Sometimes the dirt you guys sow into spins me out!!!

Ant...

 

[yellow belly]

I am planning 350 seeds with 52 tgw seed will try some at 500 to compare if barley need 800 plus heads for optimum yield high seed rates may help with yield as well as weed reduction if later planted needs no fungicide then the extra seed will not increase costs
my past experience with later planted spring crops is that bg can be eliminated ,once we get to that situation then September drilled wheat can be very high yielding without increasing bg

most of the trial work on spring crops is done on traditional spring land so on later planted heavyer land how relevant is it

 

[Hindsight]

I am planning 350 seeds with 52 tgw seed will try some at 500 to compare if barley need 800 plus heads for optimum yield high seed rates may help with yield as well as weed reduction if later planted needs no fungicide then the extra seed will not increase costs
my past experience with later planted spring crops is that bg can be eliminated ,once we get to that situation then September drilled wheat can be very high yielding without increasing bg

most of the trial work on spring crops is done on traditional spring land so on later planted heavyer land how relevant is it

Having been involved with quite large areas of Spring Barley on heavy soils since spring 2013 when rotations changed to introduce Spring Barley as a measure against blackgrass my observations have been to put on more seed than you - circa 400 - 450 home saved generally no seed treatment thus reducing cost - buy in occasional ton to get a new stock - generally Propino. In 2013 used flufanacet / pendimethalin and also on several fields Avadex - this was expensive and similar to the second wheat it replaced - and reduced potential gross margin to make the crop loss making. However, since then my observation have led to generally very little residual herbicide - the occasional field receives Avadex but find blackgrass is at low numbers and a thick crop of spring barley is able to 'boss' these blackgrass plants and head numbers very much reduced. I have been impressed how two consecutive yeas spring barley have reduced blackgrass population substantially. As an aside it is becoming apparent to me that prudent approach when faced with a winter rape crop that contains blackgrass is to forgo the usual first wheat opportunity and go for a spring barley followed by early drilled (first week October) second wheat then back into rape. As say just my general observations and there is always the odd field that does something different.

 

[limestone brash]

Sometimes the dirt you guys sow into spins me out!!!

Ant...

What do you mean -are Australian soils different looking?