Staff salary / hourly wage?

[dinderleat]

If your motivation was solely money, then I wouldn’t employ you but of course the wage on offer is fair and would allow the employee to live and to contribute to a work place pension should they wish.

The pension is their choice not yours or is that what you mean? ‘Allow’?

 

[Bald Rick]

The pension is their choice not yours or is that what you mean? ‘Allow’?

Allow was probably the wrong word.
Workplace pensions are voluntary. In our own specific case, the employee contributes 3% from their wages and we contribute 5%. By “allow”, I meant that their take home pay was both sufficient to meet living costs, pay in to a pension scheme and have monies left over to do as they wish.

As I said, we pay what the business can afford

 

[Kiwi Pete]

Range Rover, how are they going to afford the R & M???

They're either good or terrible, Henry's one has just gone in for an engine at 450,000 ks, which would put the odd Toyota in cold sweats.

Also, there is the problem us peasants don't always recognise - once you have enough income, you often go shopping for depreciation and losses to help balance the books.

As for going rates, there are operators and then there are operators.

I get $50/hr but I make sure not to put many hours in to keep myself affordable, it's not up to the employee to be self-funding but this guy is, so I really only put in for enough to cover the monthly living costs.
Many of them (internet, energy) are already paid by the farm, so that's great

 

[dinderleat]

Allow was probably the wrong word.
Workplace pensions are voluntary. In our own specific case, the employee contributes 3% from their wages and we contribute 5%. By “allow”, I meant that their take home pay was both sufficient to meet living costs, pay in to a pension scheme and have monies left over to do as they wish.

As I said, we pay what the business can afford

The majority of the time pay is dictated by local pay levels, what the business can afford is surely difficult point and will be different for each business. Do you pay up to the point of break even or at a good level of profitability? So last year all your staff got a cash bonus ?

 

[s line]

I asked for a payrise last year and got told where to go. (dairy farm)
I now charge him for every second that i am there including breaks.
Slowly getting other work doing something different.

 

[Pennine Ploughing]

Allow was probably the wrong word.
Workplace pensions are voluntary. In our own specific case, the employee contributes 3% from their wages and we contribute 5%. By “allow”, I meant that their take home pay was both sufficient to meet living costs, pay in to a pension scheme and have monies left over to do as they wish.

As I said, we pay what the business can afford

You sure you pay 5% and employee pays 3%,
It's the other way round in England

 

[FonterraFarmer]

They're either good or terrible, Henry's one has just gone in for an engine at 450,000 ks, which would put the odd Toyota in cold sweats.

Also, there is the problem us peasants don't always recognise - once you have enough income, you often go shopping for depreciation and losses to help balance the books.

As for going rates, there are operators and then there are operators.

I get $50/hr but I make sure not to put many hours in to keep myself affordable, it's not up to the employee to be self-funding but this guy is, so I really only put in for enough to cover the monthly living costs.
Many of them (internet, energy) are already paid by the farm, so that's great

I'm not sure I can even get "depreciation" even on one of the "newer" (1985) L200 4WD!!!

 

[Sam Partridge]

Our son is 18, works full time on a local mixed farm, can and will do any task required, feeding, taking to market, combining, mucking out, TB testing, repairs and maintenance on kit, can drive any machine, telehandler/digger/combine etc A lot of the kit is a few years old, no shiny new stuff. No formal employer training offered, no tickets etc ever been talked about for career development. Flat rate £8 per hour. Averages about 130/140hour a month. Have told him he would get more at Morrisons but he is happy for now as he lives at home and outgoings are minimal. I cant see how it can be a sustainable 'career' when the 2bed semi house next door to us if for sale for £205k (the farmer owns 3 of these but 3beds not 2, and rents them out, sometimes his jobs for the week if to sort out and prep one of the rentals between tenants).

if hes doing that range of jobs then the experience will be invaluable at quite a young age still. However, 130 hours a month isn't much in the farming world, does he do other work on the side? or college? and are the hours likely to go up the older he gets?

 

[Grassman247]

If your motivation was solely money, then I wouldn’t employ you but of course the wage on offer is fair and would allow the employee to live and to contribute to a work place pension should they wish.

Every employees motivation is money. We employ 15 and i can tell you no matter what they tell you they dont turn up in the morning for the love of it

 

[PI Stsker]

Every employees motivation is money. We employ 15 and i can tell you no matter what they tell you they dont turn up in the morning for the love of it

I love the people who say people are not money motivated. Everyone is, yes throwing in perks helps the job along but end of day if you offered them less hours for the same pay at the end of week or more hours they will always want more hours and more pay.
Easy to demonstrate, tell your staff your banking has been frozen and can’t pay them this month but will pay double next, see who turns up…

 

[Grassman247]

I love the people who say people are not money motivated. Everyone is, yes throwing in perks helps the job along but end of day if you offered them less hours for the same pay at the end of week or more hours they will always want more hours and more pay.
Easy to demonstrate, tell your staff your banking has been frozen and can’t pay them this month but will pay double next, see who turns up…

House means nothing to people either. cold hard cash is what they want. some of mine live in half million pound houses, one told me during covid that he could get 80 grand wagon driving looking for a pay rise, all i could say was you better go driving, he still employed by us

 

[PI Stsker]

House means nothing to people either. cold hard cash is what they want. some of mine live in half million pound houses, one told me during covid that he could get 80 grand wagon driving looking for a pay rise, all i could say was you better go driving, he still employed by us

Staying out 4 or 5 nights a week potentially not being able to have a proper meal or wash for a week at a time soon puts people off.

For a waggon driver to be on that much he’s either moving nuclear waste or is running his card out every day sleeping in lay-bys not using truck stops to sleep/wash at and staying away from home 5 nights a week. Some wouldn’t mind, I go out of my way when I end up in a lorry for a few days to not do a night out to get in my own bed.

 

[Grassman247]

Staying out 4 or 5 nights a week potentially not being able to have a proper meal or wash for a week at a time soon puts people off.

For a waggon driver to be on that much he’s either moving nuclear waste or is running his card out every day sleeping in lay-bys not using truck stops to sleep/wash at and staying away from home 5 nights a week. Some wouldn’t mind, I go out of my way when I end up in a lorry for a few days to not do a night out to get in my own bed.

They were exactly my thoughts. plus im flexible, kids need picking up from school can i nip off from work, yep no prob. Cant do that in wagon or most jobs tbh

Nice to see you putting your neck out stating your wage on here

 

[Blaithin]

I love the people who say people are not money motivated. Everyone is, yes throwing in perks helps the job along but end of day if you offered them less hours for the same pay at the end of week or more hours they will always want more hours and more pay.
Easy to demonstrate, tell your staff your banking has been frozen and can’t pay them this month but will pay double next, see who turns up…

Incorrect.

I have a boss that works on this assumption. We will always be game for any OT because we always want more hours for the extra pay.

Not so.

OT can, and has put me, into another tax bracket. Not fun.

Burn out. If I’m sick of work, I’m sick of work. I want my days off, not pressured into feeling I should want more money.

I have my own sh!t to do. My life is not built around work. I have livestock, I have a side gig, I have an SO, I have friends, I have family, I have hobbies, I have many things that fill my time off. I do not dedicate my time off to extra hours for extra money.

Yes I will take the most pay for time I can get because I like upholding my standard of living as well as saving. But no, I, and most other people I know, are not so motivated by money as to always want more hours for more pay.

This is where farming fails. The expectation that staff will be as dedicated to the farm as the farmer.

 

[Grassman247]

Incorrect.

I have a boss that works on this assumption. We will always be game for any OT because we always want more hours for the extra pay.

Not so.

OT can, and has put me, into another tax bracket. Not fun.

Burn out. If I’m sick of work, I’m sick of work. I want my days off, not pressured into feeling I should want more money.

I have my own sh!t to do. My life is not built around work. I have livestock, I have a side gig, I have an SO, I have friends, I have family, I have hobbies, I have many things that fill my time off. I do not dedicate my time off to extra hours for extra money.

Yes I will take the most pay for time I can get because I like upholding my standard of living as well as saving. But no, I, and most other people I know, are not so motivated by money as to always want more hours for more pay.

This is where farming fails. The expectation that staff will be as dedicated to the farm as the farmer.

Cant speak for the other guy you quoted but we work set hours on the whole so its generally more pay per hour

 

[kiwi pom]

Why not lead by example, maybe put up your salary and maybe even how many you employ including there hrs wage and the accommodation you include for them.

As I said up thread many comments on these type of threads see numbers given out by those who don’t employ anyone (myself included)
Perhaps you missed that bit. I did add in a further post what my brother earns on a farm in Cheshire.
Anything else you want to know?

 

[Kiwi Pete]

I love the people who say people are not money motivated. Everyone is, yes throwing in perks helps the job along but end of day if you offered them less hours for the same pay at the end of week or more hours they will always want more hours and more pay.
Easy to demonstrate, tell your staff your banking has been frozen and can’t pay them this month but will pay double next, see who turns up…

That depends on "the boss".

Most people on here could offer $100/hour and they'd still be struggling for staff because they're grippers

 

[fieldfarmer]

As I said up thread many comments on these type of threads see numbers given out by those who don’t employ anyone (myself included)
Perhaps you missed that bit. I did add in a further post what my brother earns on a farm in Cheshire.
Anything else you want to know?

Well dodged, no nothings else, still just your own salary ? ( no i didn't miss that you don't actually employ anyone).
Seems as we are all paying sh1t rates.

 

[YELROM]

That depends on "the boss".

Most people on here could offer $100/hour and they'd still be struggling for staff because they're grippers

Sweeping statement

 

[Bald Rick]

You sure you pay 5% and employee pays 3%,
It's the other way round in England

We did it voluntarily