Every employees motivation is money. We employ 15 and i can tell you no matter what they tell you they dont turn up in the morning for the love of it
Ours do ... so there
Key word is "solely"
Every employees motivation is money. We employ 15 and i can tell you no matter what they tell you they dont turn up in the morning for the love of it
if hes doing that range of jobs then the experience will be invaluable at quite a young age still. However, 130 hours a month isn't much in the farming world, does he do other work on the side? or college? and are the hours likely to go up the older he gets?
I agree to a degree but most people if offered overtime will take it. My original comment may of been abit rash but you won’t find many who would rather sit at home on a Saturday than earn time and a half overtime. Yes they have hobbies and interests etc but most will rearrange that in favour of the OT. That’s my experience anyway, yours may be different.Incorrect.
I have a boss that works on this assumption. We will always be game for any OT because we always want more hours for the extra pay.
Not so.
OT can, and has put me, into another tax bracket. Not fun.
Burn out. If I’m sick of work, I’m sick of work. I want my days off, not pressured into feeling I should want more money.
I have my own sh!t to do. My life is not built around work. I have livestock, I have a side gig, I have an SO, I have friends, I have family, I have hobbies, I have many things that fill my time off. I do not dedicate my time off to extra hours for extra money.
Yes I will take the most pay for time I can get because I like upholding my standard of living as well as saving. But no, I, and most other people I know, are not so motivated by money as to always want more hours for more pay.
This is where farming fails. The expectation that staff will be as dedicated to the farm as the farmer.
I earn $0 per hour/week/year. I went from an $85k (nzd) a year tanker driving job to stay at home dad. Before that (over 15 years ago I was tractor/truck driving. Can't remember my rate at the time but it wasn't a secret and included accommodation, nor were the farm jobs or my self-employed rates when I still lived in the UK.Well dodged, no nothings else, still just your own salary ? ( no i didn't miss that you don't actually employ anyone).
Seems as we are all paying sh1t rates.
Yes but it's evident why many struggle, a weird mash of thinking like an employee when it comes to business, and yet not knowing what it's like to be an employee in 2024.Sweeping statement
There’s currently 5 of us at work. 1 is a yes man, the other 4 are quite happy to say no, we aren’t available. When we were staffed better, it was still mostly the 1 yes man and then everyone else being reluctant.I agree to a degree but most people if offered overtime will take it. My original comment may of been abit rash but you won’t find many who would rather sit at home on a Saturday than earn time and a half overtime. Yes they have hobbies and interests etc but most will rearrange that in favour of the OT. That’s my experience anyway, yours may be different.
Does that mean that he isn't chasing the money and staying where he is cos he enjoys it more? disproving your point....or was he just trying it onHouse means nothing to people either. cold hard cash is what they want. some of mine live in half million pound houses, one told me during covid that he could get 80 grand wagon driving looking for a pay rise, all i could say was you better go driving, he still employed by us
it means people are complex, especially ones with families, cant just pull kids out of school very easily. Took a trip to JCB the other week. Everyone paid £17/hr flat rate, time and a half fri afternoon and saturday and double time sunday. Sunday is there most popular day to work. But they still have issues with people. Its not just our industry and there doesnt seem to be an easy fix. Unfortunately people dont value there jobs like they used tooDoes that mean that he isn't chasing the money and staying where he is cos he enjoys it more? disproving your point....or was he just trying it on
Sounds like a good lad.Only a 200acre farm so that's all the hours he is needed for, owner does the morning feed and son is required in for around 9:30am. Summer hours are more for harvest etc.
He does do his own firewood splitting/drying/selling on the side on his own as a sideline business, so is usually out all day everyday
Working in a large business and I can say that's not how it is here. We have a broad range of folks, from fresh out of school up to pensioners - some in lowish paid/unskilled roles, some in above average paid roles plus management. There are times when it's a struggle to fill overtime shifts regardless of the pay grade & no end of folk who've stepped back to 3 & 4 day weeks because they value family or personal time over earning a few more shillings. There are of course a core of workers who will chase down every extra hour they can get, but there's not many of them, there's a few more that will do one or two extra shifts a month, but mostly only if it doesn't conflict with other activities. In my role I can't avoid a certain amount of overtime, but never actually seek it and given the opportunity would stick to minimum hours or less.I agree to a degree but most people if offered overtime will take it. My original comment may of been abit rash but you won’t find many who would rather sit at home on a Saturday than earn time and a half overtime. Yes they have hobbies and interests etc but most will rearrange that in favour of the OT. That’s my experience anyway, yours may be different.
Farmers really are our own worst enemy. Stuck in the dark ages thinking £10/hr is big money and refuse to pay much more, but moan when they have no staff…Just had mini N offered mini-mum wage at local farm.
No thanks was the answer.
23 years old, graduate, just back from combining in Aus.
Other farms offered him more already.
Looks like he's going to see local digger man tomorrow.
Might go self employed with more tickets.
Yes. I'm angry on his behalf.Farmers really are our own worst enemy. Stuck in the dark ages thinking £10/hr is big money and refuse to pay much more, but moan when they have no staff…
Boss could pay himself more?The problem is minimum wage is too high. Everyone thinks they worth more than minimum wage and they probably are but it’s just minimum wage is too high. Can’t have workmen earring more than the boss.
True to a point, but when farm gate prices haven't kept step...Boss could pay himself more?
The minimum wage don’t go up for no reason it needs to be that high when diesel is up round £1.60/Ltr. Back 10/15 years ago when £10/hr was combine driver money fuel was sub £1.00/Ltr. That’s just one example the same can be said for cost of rent, houses, mortgages, groceries etc.
Correct, milk PPL or grain for example would still be similar farm gate price now to what it was 10/15 years ago when £10/hr was foreman money.True to a point, but when farm gate prices haven't kept step...
£10 self employed . Is that even legal? How does he/ she afford to pay their bills .Seems to be few people willing to disclose what they pay so I shall put my head above parapet.
Currently we pay
£40 a milking 280ish cows block calved. Paid flat regardless of how many in milk
Calf lady is salaried £2k inc vat
Admin girl ( her daughter) £40 a month
Plate metering lady is £15 an hour( i think)
Tractor driver salaried on a relative pitance I think £320 a month. Significant other benefits are added in.
also have a guy guy £10 an hour
all self employed
Id love to pay everyone more and do review upwards annually. Lots of other perks go alongside.
Rates are inline with what other local employers offer.
a beer on a hot day or a cuppa tea when your having a sh!t one goes way further for lots of people.