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Starting a poultry farm?
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Mikearbuckle
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- Location
- Dundee
Is that one of the old noble foods farms in fife. At that price the building must be beyond use and the land must be rough grazing type land. Sounds too good to be true
Could it be this one?
www.carterjonas.co.uk/farm/for-sale/dunfermline/hgt170007
www.carterjonas.co.uk/farm/for-sale/dunfermline/hgt170007
Have you been following
https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/egg-price-drop.238966/
If you add in this risk it will help galvanise your thoughts! You are moving into high risk investment.
https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/egg-price-drop.238966/
If you add in this risk it will help galvanise your thoughts! You are moving into high risk investment.
bjreroberts
Member
The wholesale price of free range eggs had been comparatively stable over the last 5 years, irrespective of feed prices, until last year. Over the same time the wholesale cage egg price has always fluctuated depending upon de-stocking cycles, fipronil scare etc.
The main change has been the drive for extra free range production due to, Welsh Government policy and supermarkets stated switch away from cage. This had originally been stated for 2018, but got pushed out to 2025 due to pressure from the large caged egg producers needing to re-coup their investment in colony cages 5 years ago.
Net result is overproduction driving down the free range wholesale price, reckon it will be up and down until the supermarkets finally make the switch away from cage.
It is this fall in wholesale prices is what has driven the reduction in producer prices, irrespective of what is happening to feed prices. Medium graded free range is being sold as low as £0.30 ppd at the moment!
I look forward to a return to a stable price, fluctuating prices are a pain for everyone.
The main change has been the drive for extra free range production due to, Welsh Government policy and supermarkets stated switch away from cage. This had originally been stated for 2018, but got pushed out to 2025 due to pressure from the large caged egg producers needing to re-coup their investment in colony cages 5 years ago.
Net result is overproduction driving down the free range wholesale price, reckon it will be up and down until the supermarkets finally make the switch away from cage.
It is this fall in wholesale prices is what has driven the reduction in producer prices, irrespective of what is happening to feed prices. Medium graded free range is being sold as low as £0.30 ppd at the moment!
I look forward to a return to a stable price, fluctuating prices are a pain for everyone.
- Location
- Scottish Borders
Yes it is an old Noble site. Think about it. They could not make that one pay three years ago when they closed it. It has been there a long time. Join the dots.
That site was mothballed cos in Dunfermline (fife) poultry is every where and very competitive, company I work for has 14 sites in fife alone, and company’s build new sheds and sell there old one off, as its easyier to get contract for new shed than old as new shed have a better bird welfare and bio security,
AgriBusiness Plans
Member
- Location
- United Kingdom - operating Globally
Hi all,
Its interesting to see these UK opinions on poultry farming in the UK - it is being perceived globally, currently, as the answer to world hunger and underemployment, especially of youth. Overseas acquiring land is not so much of an enormous hurdle but feed costs and imports make or break businesses.
We produce a well received instant online business plan and resources which is well received in Africa and Asia for starting a poultry farm:
https://thebigbookproject.org/agri/poultry-farming/layer-broiler-report-cost-profit-2019/
https://thebigbookproject.org/agri/poultry-farming/layer-farming-10000-birds-project-report/
How is feed treating you all - does UK produce enough. Do you think Brexit will have us all reaching for £1 chicken+chips to stave hunger pangs?
Its interesting to see these UK opinions on poultry farming in the UK - it is being perceived globally, currently, as the answer to world hunger and underemployment, especially of youth. Overseas acquiring land is not so much of an enormous hurdle but feed costs and imports make or break businesses.
We produce a well received instant online business plan and resources which is well received in Africa and Asia for starting a poultry farm:
https://thebigbookproject.org/agri/poultry-farming/layer-broiler-report-cost-profit-2019/
https://thebigbookproject.org/agri/poultry-farming/layer-farming-10000-birds-project-report/
How is feed treating you all - does UK produce enough. Do you think Brexit will have us all reaching for £1 chicken+chips to stave hunger pangs?
AgriBusiness Plans
Member
- Location
- United Kingdom - operating Globally
Hi all we are UK based and operate internationally - if any budding poultry farmers would benefit from this resource to plan their own poultry farm business we hope it may save you a few bob on a fancy consultant:
https://thebigbookproject.org/agri/poultry-farming/project/
https://thebigbookproject.org/agri/poultry-farming/project/
AgriBusiness Plans
Member
- Location
- United Kingdom - operating Globally
A quick question to anyone in the UK watching this thread - why is it so much easier to start a poultry farm abroad? https://thebigbookproject.org/agri/poultry-farming/how-to-start-for-beginners/
Daniel Larn
Member
Are the poultry processors not providing all the finance/ infrastructure/ advice for any would be producers that sign up to a contract?
AgriBusiness Plans
Member
- Location
- United Kingdom - operating Globally
Great point, Daniel.
It all depends on the deal, doesn't it?
If 'would-be' farmers go it alone, they bear all costs/risks of start-up - but conversely, they maintain sovereignty and ownership.
The line is...
Getting 'strategic business support' allows producers to focus on what they know best, which is to produce.
Vertical integration is therefore widely adopted, in poultry and in commerce generally worldwide, supported by such reasoning.
The argument is that consolidation of market participants lowers cost and increases efficiency. More gain.
Whilst this makes sense and feels good to the big business ambition within...
What resonates clear as crystal with a far more fundamental and persuasive voice within is the following question...
"But was it always this way?"
The short answer is:
"No."
"More than a century ago most of our nation’s inhabitants were farmers and most farmers owned chickens. Our country has changed in many ways since those early years. Today a very small minority are farmers, few of whom own chickens."
- National Chicken Council (United States of America)
Ok, admittedly I know this is a quote from the USA...
Farmers specialise in doing just that...producing the stuff we eat.
But why then are regular household-based, privately owned farms, especially in Britain, so blighted with doom, gloom and economic collapse.
By necessity of demand, shouldn't the regular British farmer be among the wealthiest in the land?
Why is the converse true?
Where did all the wealth go?
The common man goes without food.
("...One in 10 adults suffered moderate levels of food insecurity in 2014, placing the UK in the bottom half of European countries on hunger measures, below Hungary, Estonia, Slovakia and Malta. - The Guardian)
And if families do eat, they eat farm produce that's been put through the wringer so much that it's barely recognisable, and the consumer bares the consequences - sickness & death.
("...Half of all the food bought by families in the UK is now “ultra-processed”, made in a factory with industrial ingredients and additives invented by food technologists and bearing little resemblance to the fruit, vegetables, meat or fish used to cook a fresh meal at home....links between ultra-processed food with obesity and poor health. - The Guardian)
By enlarge, British farmers HAD multi-generational wealth and confidence - they NOW are fast becoming hopeless and financially destitute:
("...Been crunching numbers and we are losing £1 for every kg of liveweight we produce...if we put in a realistic wage cost. Take out the realistic wage and it's still losing money. Part of a group looking at this and none of us are at a break even situation. - The Farming Forum)
Join the dots.
If both ends of the food chain are getting crushed - something (someone) sitting in the middle must be taking up all the room.
An insightful article in The Guardian lends some understanding:
"More than 97% of chicken farmers in the US work under contract with a big producer. A farmer can choose to work independently and sell chickens to a company for processing or directly to retailers and consumers, but these farmers are at an “extreme disadvantage,” said Lee, since most chicken processing plants are owned by producers.
The contract system offers chicken producers a consistent supply of products and guarantees a market for farmers, said Susan Schneider, director of the master’s program in agricultural and food law at the University of Arkansas school of law."
- Clawing For Control: Fowl play: the chicken farmers being bullied by big poultry | The Guardian
Reading on further within the same article the farmer involved revealed the seed underlying the corruption of the whole matter.
"Mike Weaver, a poultry farmer in West Virginia, said his base pay hasn’t changed since he entered the business in 2001.
As long as they keep us in DEBT we have to keep raising their chickens. THEY don’t want farmers to pay off their farms, Weaver said."
- The Guardian
There it is.
That's the denominator of the whole problem - all the way through the chain.
Debt.
It's debt.
It's root meaning:
"Latin debitum "thing owed," neuter past participle of debere "to owe," originally, "keep something away from someone," from de "away" (see de-) + habere "to have"
In other words, to make another person indebted...
so rather than possessing what belongs to them...
persuading them to give up the possession and instead they become a debtor.
Let's look at that list again:
"More than a century ago most (over 50%) of our nation’s inhabitants were farmers..."
Now, take a look at this...
"In the 1900’s the volume of arable land was quite significant, as were the numbers of people involved in agriculture. However, as the world became more industrialized, the amount of land set aside for agricultural purposes saw a steep decline, as did the number of people who chose to live the farmer’s life.
It has been estimated that at present only 2% of the world’s population is involved in producing food to serve the dietary needs of the planet. HOWEVER, food yields have increased tremendously, when compared to yields at the start of the century.
This has been made largely possible due to the dynamic changes that have taken place in agriculture over the past 100 years."
- Centeryfarm.co.uk
What's responsible for the switch?
They said it in the quote above...
"...the world became more industrialized."
Let's look at the root meaning of the word industry...
"Latin indostruus "diligent," from indu "in, within" (from PIE *endo-, extended form of root *en"in") + stem of struere "to build""
Said in another way, the world become overtaken with the desire to get more gain. (To build, or to take within i.e. for one's self.)
Further on in this article by Centeryfarm.co.uk, the writer reveals some of the faces belonging to this dynamic change for gain:
Science. (Falsely, so called.)...
Defined at root as being:
Latin scientia
"knowledge, a knowing; expertness," from sciens (genitive scientis)
"intelligent, skilled," present participle of scire "to know,"
probably originally "to separate one thing from another, to distinguish,"
related to scindere "to cut, divide,"
Seems like the knowledge we had over a century ago, which had most families together and being productive, served us well for thousands of years prior to that too.
But as for the knowledge we've received as science WITHIN the last 100 years...
Its affects, as evidenced by all, have been anything but good.
As for the root definition above...
This so called, science, has indeed done as defined by it's latin root 'scindere'...
Cut asunder and divided men and their households, from that which is good...namely:
The answer?...
Teaching.
Ask yourself the question.
How else do you transfer knowledge?
You give words.
If others follow.
They get carried away with you.
But in these modern times haven't we all gotten wiser?
...
Are people really that susceptible to being carried away like that?
...
How were people so easily talked into this?
Guile.
Enticement.
Temptation.
Coveting.
Someone in the middle sees that there is gain to have by taking what doesn't belong to them...
But if they rose up to take it boldly, they'd simply be overcome and thrown out.
So how do you break into a strongman's house and take his goods?
First, you must bind the strongman - then you will take all his goods.
How do you bind a strongman?
Devise a cunning deal to beguile him to release the wealth of what he has...
In exchange for what he doesn't have.
A trade.
A bad deal...dressed up to look good.
Seemingly offering more value...
But once the papers are signed and the goods handed over, the strongman is bound up and gagged:
And all that he ever valued is taken away.
Robbery.
But who would let such a person into their front door?
For most...
This depends on what the robber presents themselves to be when they come knocking.
To help us identify this 'robber'...or rather 'teacher of bad things'...
Let's, remember the timeframe quoted by both Centeryfarm.co.uk and The U.S. National Chicken Council...
"...the last century."
How have such 'teachers of bad things (robbers)' proliferated over the last 100 years?
And what do they really look like?
Let's address our list again...
FINANCIAL WEALTH:
- a hundred years ago majority of families farmed, fed themselves with natural produce and fed others
- these farmers owned their farm businesses
- farmers had a much greater dependence upon family labour to operate the farm
- now farmers are by-enlarge in financial debt (whether they are deemed successful or otherwise), in fact their comparative wealth is typically estimated by how much debt a farmer is able to access
- farming families are very few in comparison with consumer households and are also in fast decline
- "...at the same time, farming yield has grown exponentially over the last 100 years." Centeryfarm.co.uk
...who's in the middle of all this?
- banks
- contractors/integrators/commercial producers
- equipment manufacturers
- lenders
...what was promised?
- equipment, higher yielding breeds & seeds for greater profit
...what was given?
- debt.
NUTRITIONAL HEALTH:
- over 50% of families in the country don't eat nutritious food
- 1 in 10 adults suffer not being able to feed themselves adequately
- "...at the same time, farming yield has grown exponentially over the last 100 years." Centeryfarm.co.uk
...who's in the middle of all this?
- fast moving consumer goods manufacturers
- supermarkets
- chain hotels, restaurants, cafes
...what was promised?
- quick, convenient, tasty and energy packed food that keeps for longer
...what was given?
- sickness & death.
MARRIAGES:
- as compared with 1858, the divorce rate in the UK by 1993 has rocketed over (x 6,500 times as much)
...do the maths yourself, a total of 24 UK divorces in 1858 compared with a total of 165,118 UK divorces in 1993 (during which time the overall population has only trebled) - official ONS stats - how this looks on a graph is absolutely astonishing!
- divorce among farming families has suffered greatly by this measure - read D-I-V-O-R-C-E Thread The Farming Forum
- "...at the same time, farming yield has grown exponentially over the last 100 years." Centeryfarm.co.uk
...who's in the middle?
- lawyers
- so-called 'family' courts
...what was promised?
- splitting the household wealth and the freedom to do what you want
...what was received?
- divorce.
CHILDREN:
- only 34% of respondent farm businesses would continue within the family (2013/14, the Farm Business Survey (FBS))
- "...at the same time, farming yield has grown exponentially over the last 100 years." Centeryfarm.co.uk
...who's in the middle?
- formal education
...what was promised?
- a well paid job.
...what was given?
- disinheritance.
The steal was easily done...
Especially if it came in like a flood.
Not many wise to resist.
So, what do we do now?
Are we all in a helpless lost cause?
The answer is simple:
We all need to go back to the beginning.
Start again.
Admit we got it wrong.
And begin doing it right.
Go back to text.
Back to what was written.
Each one of us, for our own-selves...
And return to the old pathways.
If we will resist the bad teaching, the robbers will flee from us.
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"There is a way that seemeth right unto a man...
But the end thereof are the ways of death.
He that laboureth laboureth for himself; for his mouth craveth it of him.
An ungodly man diggeth up evil:
and in his lips there is as a burning fire.
A froward man soweth strife: and a whisperer separateth chief friends.
A violent man enticeth his neighbour, and leadeth him into the way that is not good.
He shutteth his eyes to devise froward things:
moving his lips he bringeth evil to pass.
The hoary head is a crown of glory, if it be found in the way of righteousness."
Proverbs Chapter 16 KJV
"And he said unto him, Man, who made me a judge or a divider over you?
And he said unto them, Take heed, and beware of covetousness: for a man's life consisteth not in the abundance of the things which he possesseth.
And he spake a parable unto them, saying, The ground of a certain rich man brought forth plentifully:
And he thought within himself, saying, What shall I do, because I have no room where to bestow my fruits?
And he said, This will I do: I will pull down my barns, and build greater; and there will I bestow all my fruits and my goods.
And I will say to my soul, Soul, thou hast much goods laid up for many years; take thine ease, eat, drink, and be merry.
But God said unto him, Thou fool, this night thy soul shall be required of thee: then whose shall those things be, which thou hast provided?
So is he that layeth up treasure for himself, and is not rich toward God."
- Luke Chapter 12
"Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it."
- Matthew Chapter 7 KJV
"And he spake a parable unto them, Can the blind lead the blind? shall they not both fall into the ditch?”
- Luke Chapter 6 KJV
"Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls.
But they said, We will not walk therein.
Also I set watchmen over you, saying, Hearken to the sound of the trumpet.
But they said, We will not hearken.
Therefore hear, ye nations, and know, O congregation, what is among them.
Hear, O earth: behold, I will bring evil upon this people, even the fruit of their thoughts, because they have not hearkened unto my words, nor to my law, but rejected it."
- Jeremiah Chapter 6
"And if a kingdom be divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand.
And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand.
And if Satan rise up against himself, and be divided, he cannot stand, but hath an end.
No man can enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods,
except he will first bind the strong man; and then he will spoil his house."
- Mark Chapter 3
It all depends on the deal, doesn't it?
If 'would-be' farmers go it alone, they bear all costs/risks of start-up - but conversely, they maintain sovereignty and ownership.
The line is...
Getting 'strategic business support' allows producers to focus on what they know best, which is to produce.
Vertical integration is therefore widely adopted, in poultry and in commerce generally worldwide, supported by such reasoning.
The argument is that consolidation of market participants lowers cost and increases efficiency. More gain.
Whilst this makes sense and feels good to the big business ambition within...
What resonates clear as crystal with a far more fundamental and persuasive voice within is the following question...
"But was it always this way?"
The short answer is:
"No."
"More than a century ago most of our nation’s inhabitants were farmers and most farmers owned chickens. Our country has changed in many ways since those early years. Today a very small minority are farmers, few of whom own chickens."
- National Chicken Council (United States of America)
Ok, admittedly I know this is a quote from the USA...
- But weren't things also similar here in the British Isles - not so long ago?
- What 's the big change?
- Have we no longer a need for farm produce?
- Are farmers in these modern days now surplus to requirements?
- Are the basic needs and functions of everyday life now a thing of the past?
Farmers specialise in doing just that...producing the stuff we eat.
But why then are regular household-based, privately owned farms, especially in Britain, so blighted with doom, gloom and economic collapse.
By necessity of demand, shouldn't the regular British farmer be among the wealthiest in the land?
Why is the converse true?
Where did all the wealth go?
The common man goes without food.
("...One in 10 adults suffered moderate levels of food insecurity in 2014, placing the UK in the bottom half of European countries on hunger measures, below Hungary, Estonia, Slovakia and Malta. - The Guardian)
And if families do eat, they eat farm produce that's been put through the wringer so much that it's barely recognisable, and the consumer bares the consequences - sickness & death.
("...Half of all the food bought by families in the UK is now “ultra-processed”, made in a factory with industrial ingredients and additives invented by food technologists and bearing little resemblance to the fruit, vegetables, meat or fish used to cook a fresh meal at home....links between ultra-processed food with obesity and poor health. - The Guardian)
By enlarge, British farmers HAD multi-generational wealth and confidence - they NOW are fast becoming hopeless and financially destitute:
("...Been crunching numbers and we are losing £1 for every kg of liveweight we produce...if we put in a realistic wage cost. Take out the realistic wage and it's still losing money. Part of a group looking at this and none of us are at a break even situation. - The Farming Forum)
Join the dots.
If both ends of the food chain are getting crushed - something (someone) sitting in the middle must be taking up all the room.
An insightful article in The Guardian lends some understanding:
"More than 97% of chicken farmers in the US work under contract with a big producer. A farmer can choose to work independently and sell chickens to a company for processing or directly to retailers and consumers, but these farmers are at an “extreme disadvantage,” said Lee, since most chicken processing plants are owned by producers.
The contract system offers chicken producers a consistent supply of products and guarantees a market for farmers, said Susan Schneider, director of the master’s program in agricultural and food law at the University of Arkansas school of law."
- Clawing For Control: Fowl play: the chicken farmers being bullied by big poultry | The Guardian
Reading on further within the same article the farmer involved revealed the seed underlying the corruption of the whole matter.
"Mike Weaver, a poultry farmer in West Virginia, said his base pay hasn’t changed since he entered the business in 2001.
As long as they keep us in DEBT we have to keep raising their chickens. THEY don’t want farmers to pay off their farms, Weaver said."
- The Guardian
There it is.
That's the denominator of the whole problem - all the way through the chain.
Debt.
- Debt...In finance.
- Debt...In health.
- Debt...In family integrity and marriage.
- Debt...In the loss of generational heritage for farmers.
It's debt.
It's root meaning:
"Latin debitum "thing owed," neuter past participle of debere "to owe," originally, "keep something away from someone," from de "away" (see de-) + habere "to have"
In other words, to make another person indebted...
so rather than possessing what belongs to them...
persuading them to give up the possession and instead they become a debtor.
Let's look at that list again:
- Financial debt - keep something something away from someone (debt).
- Nutritional debt - keep something away from someone (sickness & death).
- Marriage debt - keep something from someone (divorce).
- Generational debt - keep something away from someone (disinheritance).
"More than a century ago most (over 50%) of our nation’s inhabitants were farmers..."
Now, take a look at this...
"In the 1900’s the volume of arable land was quite significant, as were the numbers of people involved in agriculture. However, as the world became more industrialized, the amount of land set aside for agricultural purposes saw a steep decline, as did the number of people who chose to live the farmer’s life.
It has been estimated that at present only 2% of the world’s population is involved in producing food to serve the dietary needs of the planet. HOWEVER, food yields have increased tremendously, when compared to yields at the start of the century.
This has been made largely possible due to the dynamic changes that have taken place in agriculture over the past 100 years."
- Centeryfarm.co.uk
What's responsible for the switch?
They said it in the quote above...
"...the world became more industrialized."
Let's look at the root meaning of the word industry...
"Latin indostruus "diligent," from indu "in, within" (from PIE *endo-, extended form of root *en"in") + stem of struere "to build""
Said in another way, the world become overtaken with the desire to get more gain. (To build, or to take within i.e. for one's self.)
Further on in this article by Centeryfarm.co.uk, the writer reveals some of the faces belonging to this dynamic change for gain:
- Technological Advances
- Improved Plant and Animal Breeding
- Biotechnology
Science. (Falsely, so called.)...
Defined at root as being:
Latin scientia
"knowledge, a knowing; expertness," from sciens (genitive scientis)
"intelligent, skilled," present participle of scire "to know,"
probably originally "to separate one thing from another, to distinguish,"
related to scindere "to cut, divide,"
Seems like the knowledge we had over a century ago, which had most families together and being productive, served us well for thousands of years prior to that too.
But as for the knowledge we've received as science WITHIN the last 100 years...
Its affects, as evidenced by all, have been anything but good.
As for the root definition above...
This so called, science, has indeed done as defined by it's latin root 'scindere'...
Cut asunder and divided men and their households, from that which is good...namely:
- Wealth In Produce
- Health
- Marriages
- Generations
The answer?...
Teaching.
Ask yourself the question.
How else do you transfer knowledge?
You give words.
If others follow.
They get carried away with you.
But in these modern times haven't we all gotten wiser?
...
Are people really that susceptible to being carried away like that?
...
How were people so easily talked into this?
Guile.
Enticement.
Temptation.
Coveting.
Someone in the middle sees that there is gain to have by taking what doesn't belong to them...
But if they rose up to take it boldly, they'd simply be overcome and thrown out.
So how do you break into a strongman's house and take his goods?
First, you must bind the strongman - then you will take all his goods.
How do you bind a strongman?
Devise a cunning deal to beguile him to release the wealth of what he has...
In exchange for what he doesn't have.
A trade.
A bad deal...dressed up to look good.
Seemingly offering more value...
But once the papers are signed and the goods handed over, the strongman is bound up and gagged:
And all that he ever valued is taken away.
Robbery.
But who would let such a person into their front door?
For most...
This depends on what the robber presents themselves to be when they come knocking.
To help us identify this 'robber'...or rather 'teacher of bad things'...
Let's, remember the timeframe quoted by both Centeryfarm.co.uk and The U.S. National Chicken Council...
"...the last century."
How have such 'teachers of bad things (robbers)' proliferated over the last 100 years?
And what do they really look like?
Let's address our list again...
FINANCIAL WEALTH:
- a hundred years ago majority of families farmed, fed themselves with natural produce and fed others
- these farmers owned their farm businesses
- farmers had a much greater dependence upon family labour to operate the farm
- now farmers are by-enlarge in financial debt (whether they are deemed successful or otherwise), in fact their comparative wealth is typically estimated by how much debt a farmer is able to access
- farming families are very few in comparison with consumer households and are also in fast decline
- "...at the same time, farming yield has grown exponentially over the last 100 years." Centeryfarm.co.uk
...who's in the middle of all this?
- banks
- contractors/integrators/commercial producers
- equipment manufacturers
- lenders
...what was promised?
- equipment, higher yielding breeds & seeds for greater profit
...what was given?
- debt.
NUTRITIONAL HEALTH:
- over 50% of families in the country don't eat nutritious food
- 1 in 10 adults suffer not being able to feed themselves adequately
- "...at the same time, farming yield has grown exponentially over the last 100 years." Centeryfarm.co.uk
...who's in the middle of all this?
- fast moving consumer goods manufacturers
- supermarkets
- chain hotels, restaurants, cafes
...what was promised?
- quick, convenient, tasty and energy packed food that keeps for longer
...what was given?
- sickness & death.
MARRIAGES:
- as compared with 1858, the divorce rate in the UK by 1993 has rocketed over (x 6,500 times as much)
...do the maths yourself, a total of 24 UK divorces in 1858 compared with a total of 165,118 UK divorces in 1993 (during which time the overall population has only trebled) - official ONS stats - how this looks on a graph is absolutely astonishing!
- divorce among farming families has suffered greatly by this measure - read D-I-V-O-R-C-E Thread The Farming Forum
- "...at the same time, farming yield has grown exponentially over the last 100 years." Centeryfarm.co.uk
...who's in the middle?
- lawyers
- so-called 'family' courts
...what was promised?
- splitting the household wealth and the freedom to do what you want
...what was received?
- divorce.
CHILDREN:
- only 34% of respondent farm businesses would continue within the family (2013/14, the Farm Business Survey (FBS))
- "...at the same time, farming yield has grown exponentially over the last 100 years." Centeryfarm.co.uk
...who's in the middle?
- formal education
...what was promised?
- a well paid job.
...what was given?
- disinheritance.
The steal was easily done...
Especially if it came in like a flood.
Not many wise to resist.
So, what do we do now?
Are we all in a helpless lost cause?
The answer is simple:
We all need to go back to the beginning.
Start again.
Admit we got it wrong.
And begin doing it right.
Go back to text.
Back to what was written.
Each one of us, for our own-selves...
And return to the old pathways.
If we will resist the bad teaching, the robbers will flee from us.
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"There is a way that seemeth right unto a man...
But the end thereof are the ways of death.
He that laboureth laboureth for himself; for his mouth craveth it of him.
An ungodly man diggeth up evil:
and in his lips there is as a burning fire.
A froward man soweth strife: and a whisperer separateth chief friends.
A violent man enticeth his neighbour, and leadeth him into the way that is not good.
He shutteth his eyes to devise froward things:
moving his lips he bringeth evil to pass.
The hoary head is a crown of glory, if it be found in the way of righteousness."
Proverbs Chapter 16 KJV
"And he said unto him, Man, who made me a judge or a divider over you?
And he said unto them, Take heed, and beware of covetousness: for a man's life consisteth not in the abundance of the things which he possesseth.
And he spake a parable unto them, saying, The ground of a certain rich man brought forth plentifully:
And he thought within himself, saying, What shall I do, because I have no room where to bestow my fruits?
And he said, This will I do: I will pull down my barns, and build greater; and there will I bestow all my fruits and my goods.
And I will say to my soul, Soul, thou hast much goods laid up for many years; take thine ease, eat, drink, and be merry.
But God said unto him, Thou fool, this night thy soul shall be required of thee: then whose shall those things be, which thou hast provided?
So is he that layeth up treasure for himself, and is not rich toward God."
- Luke Chapter 12
"Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it."
- Matthew Chapter 7 KJV
"And he spake a parable unto them, Can the blind lead the blind? shall they not both fall into the ditch?”
- Luke Chapter 6 KJV
"Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls.
But they said, We will not walk therein.
Also I set watchmen over you, saying, Hearken to the sound of the trumpet.
But they said, We will not hearken.
Therefore hear, ye nations, and know, O congregation, what is among them.
Hear, O earth: behold, I will bring evil upon this people, even the fruit of their thoughts, because they have not hearkened unto my words, nor to my law, but rejected it."
- Jeremiah Chapter 6
"And if a kingdom be divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand.
And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand.
And if Satan rise up against himself, and be divided, he cannot stand, but hath an end.
No man can enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods,
except he will first bind the strong man; and then he will spoil his house."
- Mark Chapter 3
Daniel Larn
Member
...wow
That took quite some time to digest, I bet only half as long as it took to write.
My initial comment wasn't meant to undermine what you are doing, so I hope you didn't feel you had to defend yourself.
I think that smaller producers, making an effort to distinguish themselves from the crowd and selling directly with great provenance is a fantastic way to do business.
From what I read of your guide, that was what you are trying to achieve. I think perhaps you could include the integrated route as well, as this will make more sense for most commercial farms I'd imagine.
All the power to you!