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Danllan

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Given your recent posts saying that you thought that turncoats like Anderson should face a by-election, would you agree that, should the Conservative members give us yet another PM, a General Election should be called immediately?
No, that would be inconsistent; and it's for precisely the same reason I argue that the MPs should stand again... i.e. that the constituencies return an MP who, unless independent, was the Labour, Tory etc. candidate. Whereas the choice of party leader is a purely internal affair for any party, and when that party is in government the leader will be PM.

While a majority of constituencies retain MPs of a given party there is no need for a General Election. However if now, say, there were 41 defections and then 41 by-elections resulted in a change from the governing party, meaning that the governing party ceased to have an overall majority, that would demand a General Election since the party would no longer have a mandate.

Bin FPTP for direct PR, and the possibility of these situations arising will be almost impossible.
 
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neilo

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Montgomeryshire
No, that would be inconsistent; and it's for precisely the same reason I argue that the MPs should stand again... i.e. that the constituencies return an MP who, unless independent, was the Labour, Tory etc. candidate. Whereas the choice of party leader is a purely internal affair for any party, and when that party is in government the leader will be PM.

While a majority of constituencies retain MPs of a given party there is no need for a General Election. However if now, say, there were 41 defections and then 41 by-elections resulted in a change from the governing party, meaning that the governing party ceased to have an overall majority, that would demand a General Election since the party would no longer have a mandate.

Bin FPTP for direct PR, and the possibility of these situations arising will be almost impossible.

Thank you. I guess we'll have to disagree on that.

Would you say the same if Starmer got in then, through Labour Party civil war, somebody like Corbyn took the reins?
 

Danllan

Member
Location
Sir Gar / Carms
Thank you. I guess we'll have to disagree on that.

Would you say the same if Starmer got in then, through Labour Party civil war, somebody like Corbyn took the reins?
Yes of course, because it's the principle that we vote for candidate for a party that is the issue.

Of course I think Corbyn would be awful, but under the current system - which you know I loathe - the rules have to be applied in all cases.

And that's one reason why I want the whole electoral system changed; the only advantage to FPTP is that, generally but not always, it provides stable government, but this sole advantage is outweighed by so many disadvantages that its continued implementation can't be justified.
 

neilo

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Montgomeryshire
Yes of course, because it's the principle that we vote for candidate for a party that is the issue.

Of course I think Corbyn would be awful, but under the current system - which you know I loathe - the rules have to be applied in all cases.

And that's one reason why I want the whole electoral system changed; the only advantage to FPTP is that, generally but not always, it provides stable government, but this sole advantage is outweighed by so many disadvantages that its continued implementation can't be justified.

I would suggest that it’s a bit of a stretch to describe the last four and a half years as ‘stable government’. More like a lurch from pillar to post imo.
 

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