Step up Reform Party ?

Danllan

Member
Location
Sir Gar / Carms
Read though the lot and there are many things that I would like to see happen, but in reality it reads just like a 6th form school project, simplistic solutions to complex problems.
Oh ffs, all manifestos do and are like that, including those of parties I have voted for. I can't see myself voting for Reform, but it's all been costed and stands up as well as anything the Tories, LDs and Labour etc. are proposing.

Anyway, we both know full well that if, in a very different world, Reform was ardently pro-EU, you'd be claiming its manifest to be a work of pure genius.

But is is probably of no relevance anyway, since under FPTP Reform's electoral chances are very slim...
 

neilo

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Montgomeryshire
Read though the lot and there are many things that I would like to see happen, but in reality it reads just like a 6th form school project, simplistic solutions to complex problems.

That's generally how populism works.
Simple messages to rouse the rabble, but never going to need to add detail as they'll never be in a position to implement anything.
 

neilo

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Montgomeryshire
Oh ffs, all manifestos do and are like that, including those of parties I have voted for. I can't see myself voting for Reform, but it's all been costed and stands up as well as anything the Tories, LDs and Labour etc. are proposing.

Anyway, we both know full well that if, in a very different world, Reform was ardently pro-EU, you'd be claiming its manifest to be a work of pure genius.

But is is probably of no relevance anyway, since under FPTP Reform's electoral chances are very slim...

Lib Dems are what you call 'ardently pro-EU', but their manifesto is usually only wishful thinking too.
 

Danllan

Member
Location
Sir Gar / Carms
Lib Dems are what you call 'ardently pro-EU', but their manifesto is usually only wishful thinking too.
Ha! That's my point, all parties do it and, under FPTP, the only ones that really matter are those of the Tories and Labour. And they conspire together to keep the current electoral system because under PR they know they'd never have a free run again.

We need a wholesale change in our democracy, or it won't survive, and that's the plain truth of it.
 

czechmate

Member
Mixed Farmer
Ha! That's my point, all parties do it and, under FPTP, the only ones that really matter are those of the Tories and Labour. And they conspire together to keep the current electoral system because under PR they know they'd never have a free run again.

We need a wholesale change in our democracy, or it won't survive, and that's the plain truth of it.

Rule back to the King?
 

Muck Spreader

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Limousin
Oh ffs, all manifestos do and are like that, including those of parties I have voted for. I can't see myself voting for Reform, but it's all been costed and stands up as well as anything the Tories, LDs and Labour etc. are proposing.

Anyway, we both know full well that if, in a very different world, Reform was ardently pro-EU, you'd be claiming its manifest to be a work of pure genius.

But is is probably of no relevance anyway, since under FPTP Reform's electoral chances are very slim...
All I am saying is that it's a very child like attempt at a political manifesto and the costing looks like its been done by the same children. Some of the things they are proposing would take decades to implement in the real world and some they evidently just don't understand what the are even taking about.
 
Read though the lot and there are many things that I would like to see happen, but in reality it reads just like a 6th form school project, simplistic solutions to complex problems.


Is that right ?

Remind me, didn't you leave the UK & go to France to continue EU subsidies to the tune of £20,000+ ?

Mind you, not as though EU farmers are happy with Net Zero or Green Policy - not as though the Left would even admit such in the first place. I bet your bum does some fidgeting on the seat when Lefties start claiming "Far Right" influencing EU Ag policy - wish I could be there to have a good laugh !
 

czechmate

Member
Mixed Farmer
Is that right ?

Remind me, didn't you leave the UK & go to France to continue EU subsidies to the tune of £20,000+ ?

Mind you, not as though EU farmers are happy with Net Zero or Green Policy - not as though the Left would even admit such in the first place. I bet your bum does some fidgeting on the seat when Lefties start claiming "Far Right" influencing EU Ag policy - wish I could be there to have a good laugh !

feck, 20k would be an extraordinarily poor result 🤮
 

capfits

Member
All I am saying is that it's a very child like attempt at a political manifesto and the costing looks like its been done by the same children. Some of the things they are proposing would take decades to implement in the real world and some they evidently just don't understand what the are even taking about.
Do you remember the shite they talked at Brexit Referendum it can be nae surprise.
#keepfoolingthefools
 

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