maybe but under my sfi rotation i will only be using glyphosate once a year - hardly excessive or more than many who cultivate do
if resistance happens im sure we will find alternative methods
Steve Barkley at OFC
- Thread starter Clive
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maybe but under my sfi rotation i will only be using glyphosate once a year - hardly excessive or more than many who cultivate do
if resistance happens im sure we will find alternative methods
zero chance - they have stated that inspections will not be punitive
they have also confirmed my plan is acceptable, which is no surprise at all imo - i can achieve the aims
they only people who seem to want to find issues with it are other farmers !!!!!! ………. odd lot aren’t we !
- Location
- North Somerset.
‘They have stated inspections will not be punitive’
Who is they?
Janet Hughes making promises on behalf of the RPA over which she has no control particularly when the RPA are overseen by the National Audit Office who will be expecting to see SFI money clawed back from claimants as the result of visits ( inspections) ?
I hope the trust placed by otherwise astute business folk is not misplaced as they enter into SFI contracts where there is no equality in dispute resolution and one party can change the terms at a whim while the other is expected to be glued to the internet to try to keep up, is not misplaced but I doubt it.
Personally I find no reason to trust the civil service or their agents, particularly Natural England. Nothing in the current upgraded offer makes it attractive enough to take the risk.
- Location
- Lincolnshire
I wonder what the RPA attitude to inspections and to compliance will be if we get a change of governing party? Are they likely to be soft on millionaire landowner claimants?
Personally I wouldn’t bank on it.
- Location
- Kent
The feeling I got from their email they sent out where he supposedly said how as a rural MP he understood the importance of the farmed environment that it still basically go on to imply but if you're a livestock farmer we don't want you to farm. You can just plant flowers and just top it. We don't care we can just import from Brazil and Australia as ignoring grazing worked wonders for others.
- Location
- Mendips Somerset
its increasingly looking to me, like they (tories) are starting to throw money at farmers sometimes in quite a bizarre way to try and buy back the rural vote , some of the payments although nice for some are way off the mark , The biggest worry as mentioned above is change of government,
Labour are going to have to make savings going forward so do you cut old people care , or social housing or do you cut paying perceived wealthy farmers for checking hedgerows and direct drilling that most would do anyway as part of their job,
We are being led up the garden path for the removal of all subsidy's, its going to be hard to justify long term to those that have no idea what they are paying for .
Labour are going to have to make savings going forward so do you cut old people care , or social housing or do you cut paying perceived wealthy farmers for checking hedgerows and direct drilling that most would do anyway as part of their job,
We are being led up the garden path for the removal of all subsidy's, its going to be hard to justify long term to those that have no idea what they are paying for .
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alomy75
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During these calls Clive what was your take on where they will end up defining ‘no-till’? Tine and disc drills fine but your Claydon, mzuri and dts type not fine? What about a targeted low disturbance subsoiler pass?
Spencer
Member
- Location
- North West
if we suddenly have a “this type of drill is no til and this one isn’t” however then I perceive that as an issue.
I imagine they will define it the same way they did for grand scheme.
Think the wording is ‘no pre cultivation on the drill’. So a strip till is a grey area.
- Location
- South Notts
Briefly looking through the technical annex there looks some decent and useful additions.
On the no till payment - great for those that are already no tilling and doing it successfully . For the likes of us on heavy, wet land the £73/ha wouldn’t cover the yield loss for not cultivating so It’s not an incentive to move to no-till for us.
The new woodland management options look OK and I’ll probably upgrade for them once live.
Nothing else jumps out past what we’re already doing or have ruled out - except maybe the permissive paths and public access - it would be interesting to see the option guidance for these once released.
On the no till payment - great for those that are already no tilling and doing it successfully . For the likes of us on heavy, wet land the £73/ha wouldn’t cover the yield loss for not cultivating so It’s not an incentive to move to no-till for us.
The new woodland management options look OK and I’ll probably upgrade for them once live.
Nothing else jumps out past what we’re already doing or have ruled out - except maybe the permissive paths and public access - it would be interesting to see the option guidance for these once released.
Spencer
Member
- Location
- North West
It definitely uses less fossil fuels
Spencer
Member
- Location
- North West
That’s fine.. 5” works for me, oh wait sorry I meant 10
- Location
- Devon
Can you point me to the specifics on this because all I've seen is the species rich grassland payment which is not gonna benefit many at all.
- Location
- Montgomeryshire
It wont be flagged up as a problem by the 'industry stakeholders' they consult. Or in other words, Clive's drill will be OK.
- Location
- Montgomeryshire
Less fossil fuel used, less carbon released/soil OM mineralised and less bag fertiliser used on crops with lower yield potential. Wins all round for public goods.
Resistance, is more down to rate applied, if they try to low dose a weed then it may get resistance, if some survive those that do likely have a chance to be more resistant than those that died, so you make your own problems.
blackgrass has been resistant for a while to most in crop sprays but has zero against glysophate as its action is wider and not trying to protect a growing crop.
The danger come when you try to make a crop glysophate resistant so you can use it in a growing crop, then you can have volunteer crops weeds that start to creat problems.
- Location
- Herefordshire
I remember mentioning protein crop payments to @Janet Hughes Defra when she was active on this forum. She was quite dismissive of the idea.To me it's a win,win with home produced proteins providing a wonderful habitat for bees and insects as well as reducing the need to import and the consequential reduction in emissions as a result.Not that I know of. My beans in particular used to be buzzing with bees. Home grown protein as well. You’d have thought they were worth a bit as public goods.Then there’s crops like lupins that could do with a leg up. Oddly if it’s productive it doesn’t seem to qualify.
It seems a fairly obvious SFI option to me by delivering benefits to the soil,Wildlife and the environment.
- Location
- Essex
That a production subsidy though, which would mean your buyer might not have to pay for the cost of production, which is how we got where we are today.