Stewardship Payments for 2018

[livestock 1]

I’ve totally lost track and don’t know how far behind we actually are. I think it’s just 2018 but really not sure.

I’m actually hoping it’s 2017 as well

I’m the same I’m lost off. Has anyone had any 2018 money? And if so are we getting it in July supposedly?

 

[Timbo]

Has anyone had any 2018 money??

I've not.

 

[livestock 1]

I've not.

I was 6 months late and not had any this year so likley I haven’t either.

 

[Jackov Altraids]

Did receive a payment not that long ago. Buggered if I know what year it relates to, payment slips explain f all. Will tot it all up when the scheme ends! No land agent should have let their clients sign up until the terms included a clear payment schedule!!

I think this is one of the most disgusting elements of how farmers are treated by the RPA.
We have to provide endless evidence,maintain paper trails, double check our own work and theirs but they provide no information whatsoever to explain payments or the lack there of.
At the next census, we should just add all our numbers up and just supply one total. If they can't provide detail, why should we.

 

[Socksitis]

The trouble is @Guy Smith there are no payment dates, so there is technically no such thing as 'late payments'. Despite the HLS handbook Third edition for agreements starting after Feb 2010 stating:

'you will receive a payment every 6 months from the start of your agreement. This will include payment for the ELS or OELS element of your agreement. Each six-monthly payment will be half of your annual management payment for that year, and will be made automatically, apart from the final payment.'

Of course, we all know that the handbook forms an integral part of the agreement and that any variation to the agreement can only be made by Natural England 'in line with European Law and in other exceptional circumstances'

If we are governed by such clear rules and yet late payments cannot be challenged, it leaves us with a very one sided set of rules that a lot of us do not want to be party to.

 

[YorkshireAndrew]

According to the email received we will have our ELS/HLS payment for June -December 2018 by the end of July - I’m not overly confident though .

 

[Pie face]

The trouble is @Guy Smith there are no payment dates, so there is technically no such thing as 'late payments'. Despite the HLS handbook Third edition for agreements starting after Feb 2010 stating:

'you will receive a payment every 6 months from the start of your agreement. This will include payment for the ELS or OELS element of your agreement. Each six-monthly payment will be half of your annual management payment for that year, and will be made automatically, apart from the final payment.'

Of course, we all know that the handbook forms an integral part of the agreement and that any variation to the agreement can only be made by Natural England 'in line with European Law and in other exceptional circumstances'

If we are governed by such clear rules and yet late payments cannot be challenged, it leaves us with a very one sided set of rules that a lot of us do not want to be party to.

I don't know how the ne/rpa manage to take systems that were working like the els payment system that we received payments from every six months without drama and completly mangle them up until they are no longer fit for purpose. I don't suppose it helps when the RPA inspectors keep going round remapping every mole hill though - the computers must be blareing information overload!

 

[Brisel]

You can blame Brussels for some of this. They keep adding additional checks that have to be made that screw up the IT systems.

 

[livestock 1]

According to the email received we will have our ELS/HLS payment for June -December 2018 by the end of July - I’m not overly confident though .

Did you get a payment in December if you don’t mind me asking?

 

[yellow belly]

The trouble is @Guy Smith there are no payment dates, so there is technically no such thing as 'late payments'. Despite the HLS handbook Third edition for agreements starting after Feb 2010 stating:

'you will receive a payment every 6 months from the start of your agreement. This will include payment for the ELS or OELS element of your agreement. Each six-monthly payment will be half of your annual management payment for that year, and will be made automatically, apart from the final payment.'

Of course, we all know that the handbook forms an integral part of the agreement and that any variation to the agreement can only be made by Natural England 'in line with European Law and in other exceptional circumstances'

If we are governed by such clear rules and yet late payments cannot be challenged, it leaves us with a very one sided set of rules that a lot of us do not want to be party to.

from your description payments would be made 'automatically' and 6 monthly from the start only the final payment would be delayed
how that is not clear and paid on the dot is beyond us all
they obviously do not care

 

[livestock 1]

from your description payments would be made 'automatically' and 6 monthly from the start only the final payment would be delayed
how that is not clear and paid on the dot is beyond us all
they obviously do not care

I am convinced the money is not there to pay out. Why else would this happen? We already got put back six months from the original six months in arrears agreed payment schedule from the start. Then no payments this year after the aforesaid delays

 

[Guy Smith]

Any idea if this also applies to Capital Claims? I am awaiting a 5 figure capital claim that I put in on 5th Feb, supposed to be paid within 60 working days. I'm up to at least 90 working days now and when I phone to ask where it is I'm told they've moved claims from Worcester to Newcastle and it's 'in a pile somewhere' Coincidentally (or not!) we have just had an RPA inspection on the capital works. I totally understand that it's a lot of government money and they need to check we have done the work but the inspector couldn't understand why NE had been sitting on it for so long.

Unfortunately it’s revenue only. I’ve got a similarly large capital claim put in on April 15th.

 

[YorkshireAndrew]

Did you get a payment in December if you don’t mind me asking?

Yes , it was for the period January to June , RPA call it the half year payment & it was 75% of the total yearly payment .

 

[livestock 1]

Yes , it was for the period January to June , RPA call it the half year payment & it was 75% of the total yearly payment .

Ok so are you expecting some in July?

 

[YorkshireAndrew]

Ok so are you expecting some in July?

Yes I’ve been told it will be with us by the end of July as will everyone else’s , claim forms will be processed on an ongoing basis . Any deductions will be taken off the next payment I was told .

 

[livestock 1]

Yes I’ve been told it will be with us by the end of July as will everyone else’s , claim forms will be processed on an ongoing basis . Any deductions will be taken off the next payment I was told .

Ok I’m lost off where I’m at will need to check up.

 

[Timbo]

Are they planning to pay 100% of 2018? The email isnt clear..

 

[livestock 1]

Are they planning to pay 100% of 2018? The email isnt clear..

I take it no one has had any of 2018 yet?

 

[Pie face]

I take it no one has had any of 2018 yet?

Anyone who's not been paid anything to date should get the lot, some lucky folks who have received a part payment will get the ballance.

 

[Pie face]

You can blame Brussels for some of this. They keep adding additional checks that have to be made that screw up the IT systems.

Why can't we be more French about these rules - ie just ignore em?