Store Lamb - Treatments on to farm

Frank-the-Wool

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
East Sussex
I am truly surprised at the amount many of you are spending on these store lambs and some of the practices would I suggest should not be put on a public forum.
It also makes me realise how much extra our lambs should be that have already received most of these treatments before they are sold. It is also no surprise that more lambs will be sold direct from farm to farm.

Jabbing anything with an antibiotic routinely is these days a definite no, although I can see the logic for doing it and as long as your Vet is happy to prescribe to do it then I am sure it reduces losses from pneumonia. Lameness in sheep that have been trucked is more often due to standing on hard surfaces and their feet getting hot and dry and the start of Scald which would be better treated through a footbath.

A single dose of Bravoxin 10 will do very little. It is a vaccine that specifically needs two doses at 4 to 6 weeks apart for it to be truly effective. Heptavac P is also a "sledgehammer to crack a nut" and needs the two jabs to be truly effective and Ovivac used to be cheaper.
Footvax unless it has been improved significantly is an expensive vaccine to use and again needs two jabs 6 weeks apart to be properly effective and a full course will cost around £2.50. There is also the high risk of abscesses at the vaccination site. Possibly sensible for ewe lambs to be put into a flock but not for store lambs.

There is no way that there will be a general return to the use of OP, and yes it is a risk, especially with sheep bought through markets in certain areas. While not perfect, if it is possible to keep these sheep isolated for a short period then the blood test for detecting scab is now well proven. It has been suggested that it could be used as a pen side test in markets but of course by then the damage can already have been done.

Zolvix and some isolation in a pen will be the best preventative and money well spent before these new sheep come on to your farm.
The general use of Flukicides in lambs at this time of the year would also be a waste of time and money and increase the risk of resistance. From September onwards is the time to treat.
Boluses may be a cost worth incurring but should one not need to know what trace element that your land is specifically lacking or the type of feed provided is short of before giving a general bolus which may or may not supply the necessary requirements and is another expensive input. Very often salt or iodine and possibly a selenium and cobalt drench may be all that is required.

No one has mentioned fly cover. All sheep we sell have been treated with Clik extra which would certainly remove the need for any treatment with only the longer term lambs treated in May that might require a second cheap cover to get through the risk period.

Lambs that come from a reputable and reliable source that have been well farmed must be worth significantly more than these potential Scab carriers of dubious origins that require all these expensive inputs to give you peace of mind but may actually do very little!
 

Anymulewilldo

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Cheshire
I am truly surprised at the amount many of you are spending on these store lambs and some of the practices would I suggest should not be put on a public forum.
It also makes me realise how much extra our lambs should be that have already received most of these treatments before they are sold. It is also no surprise that more lambs will be sold direct from farm to farm.

Jabbing anything with an antibiotic routinely is these days a definite no, although I can see the logic for doing it and as long as your Vet is happy to prescribe to do it then I am sure it reduces losses from pneumonia. Lameness in sheep that have been trucked is more often due to standing on hard surfaces and their feet getting hot and dry and the start of Scald which would be better treated through a footbath.

A single dose of Bravoxin 10 will do very little. It is a vaccine that specifically needs two doses at 4 to 6 weeks apart for it to be truly effective. Heptavac P is also a "sledgehammer to crack a nut" and needs the two jabs to be truly effective and Ovivac used to be cheaper.
Footvax unless it has been improved significantly is an expensive vaccine to use and again needs two jabs 6 weeks apart to be properly effective and a full course will cost around £2.50. There is also the high risk of abscesses at the vaccination site. Possibly sensible for ewe lambs to be put into a flock but not for store lambs.

There is no way that there will be a general return to the use of OP, and yes it is a risk, especially with sheep bought through markets in certain areas. While not perfect, if it is possible to keep these sheep isolated for a short period then the blood test for detecting scab is now well proven. It has been suggested that it could be used as a pen side test in markets but of course by then the damage can already have been done.

Zolvix and some isolation in a pen will be the best preventative and money well spent before these new sheep come on to your farm.
The general use of Flukicides in lambs at this time of the year would also be a waste of time and money and increase the risk of resistance. From September onwards is the time to treat.
Boluses may be a cost worth incurring but should one not need to know what trace element that your land is specifically lacking or the type of feed provided is short of before giving a general bolus which may or may not supply the necessary requirements and is another expensive input. Very often salt or iodine and possibly a selenium and cobalt drench may be all that is required.

No one has mentioned fly cover. All sheep we sell have been treated with Clik extra which would certainly remove the need for any treatment with only the longer term lambs treated in May that might require a second cheap cover to get through the risk period.

Lambs that come from a reputable and reliable source that have been well farmed must be worth significantly more than these potential Scab carriers of dubious origins that require all these expensive inputs to give you peace of mind but may actually do very little!
While I agree with what you say, I still wouldn’t have piece of mind until they had received all the “expensive inputs” on farm here. I’ve tried believing what I’m told they’ve had. Doesn’t work enough of the time unfortunately. The expense of the treatments while in isolation is little compared too potential losses through mortality or lambs standing still for 2 months. Especially with the price of lambs this last 2 years, they all need too get motoring as soon as they come out of isolation.
I would say dip counts as fly cover? Cheaper than Clik and covers more bases. I’m a firm believer that we should all be forced too autumn dip. It would have the industry millions long term. Plus reduce usage of the scab/worm combo injections thus slowing wormer resistance.
As you say, timings are Important. I Don’t start on lambs for another month, hence I use fluker as they arrive. And yes, I should have mentioned the second jab of Bravoxin 10 a fortnight later, vital!!
With regards too bolus and minerals etc, if you buy from a particular area most of the time.I had bloods sone on a mixed bag of scotch hoggs 2 years ago too find out what I could do without. Turned out they were short or had the minimum of just about everything! Enough too survive but not too thrive. So that’s why I go all out on that sort of thing. They need the best possible start at the job.
It is of course very dependent on the breed/style/size of lambs you buy! I wouldn’t spend this on short keep conti x lambs…
As for the antibiotics, if it weren’t for the vet telling me what too do, I wouldn’t do it. There is a marked reduction in the amount of snotty noses in the lambs after we started. And I would stress, it’s a batch specific treatment, not a one job fits all approach. 👍👍

Horses for courses and all that. I spend less per head initially but have too invest more in them as they arrive and keep them longer. Plus see a higher mortality than those feeding “proper lambs”. But if we were all the same the job would get very polarised! 😉
 

neilo

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Montgomeryshire
A cheap trace element drench will remedy any deficiencies those lambs had on their previous farm, but it won’t help them finish if the land you’re putting them on is deficient.
Here, knowing this land’s deficiencies, I would drench and bolus on arrival (as well as most of the other treatments listed by @Anymulewilldo).

Nothing comes onto this farm without a dose of Zolvix and at least a day to empty out in the shed.
 

HarryB97

Member
Mixed Farmer
We Zolvix on arrival and keep them inside for a few days and occasionally ovivac if the farmer doesn’t vaccinate them. We only buy off neighbours though so we are aware of there health plans and systems.
 

Mc115reed

Member
Livestock Farmer
I am truly surprised at the amount many of you are spending on these store lambs and some of the practices would I suggest should not be put on a public forum.
It also makes me realise how much extra our lambs should be that have already received most of these treatments before they are sold. It is also no surprise that more lambs will be sold direct from farm to farm.

Jabbing anything with an antibiotic routinely is these days a definite no, although I can see the logic for doing it and as long as your Vet is happy to prescribe to do it then I am sure it reduces losses from pneumonia. Lameness in sheep that have been trucked is more often due to standing on hard surfaces and their feet getting hot and dry and the start of Scald which would be better treated through a footbath.

A single dose of Bravoxin 10 will do very little. It is a vaccine that specifically needs two doses at 4 to 6 weeks apart for it to be truly effective. Heptavac P is also a "sledgehammer to crack a nut" and needs the two jabs to be truly effective and Ovivac used to be cheaper.
Footvax unless it has been improved significantly is an expensive vaccine to use and again needs two jabs 6 weeks apart to be properly effective and a full course will cost around £2.50. There is also the high risk of abscesses at the vaccination site. Possibly sensible for ewe lambs to be put into a flock but not for store lambs.

There is no way that there will be a general return to the use of OP, and yes it is a risk, especially with sheep bought through markets in certain areas. While not perfect, if it is possible to keep these sheep isolated for a short period then the blood test for detecting scab is now well proven. It has been suggested that it could be used as a pen side test in markets but of course by then the damage can already have been done.

Zolvix and some isolation in a pen will be the best preventative and money well spent before these new sheep come on to your farm.
The general use of Flukicides in lambs at this time of the year would also be a waste of time and money and increase the risk of resistance. From September onwards is the time to treat.
Boluses may be a cost worth incurring but should one not need to know what trace element that your land is specifically lacking or the type of feed provided is short of before giving a general bolus which may or may not supply the necessary requirements and is another expensive input. Very often salt or iodine and possibly a selenium and cobalt drench may be all that is required.

No one has mentioned fly cover. All sheep we sell have been treated with Clik extra which would certainly remove the need for any treatment with only the longer term lambs treated in May that might require a second cheap cover to get through the risk period.

Lambs that come from a reputable and reliable source that have been well farmed must be worth significantly more than these potential Scab carriers of dubious origins that require all these expensive inputs to give you peace of mind but may actually do very little!
I am truly surprised at the amount many of you are spending on these store lambs and some of the practices would I suggest should not be put on a public forum.
It also makes me realise how much extra our lambs should be that have already received most of these treatments before they are sold. It is also no surprise that more lambs will be sold direct from farm to farm.

Jabbing anything with an antibiotic routinely is these days a definite no, although I can see the logic for doing it and as long as your Vet is happy to prescribe to do it then I am sure it reduces losses from pneumonia. Lameness in sheep that have been trucked is more often due to standing on hard surfaces and their feet getting hot and dry and the start of Scald which would be better treated through a footbath.

A single dose of Bravoxin 10 will do very little. It is a vaccine that specifically needs two doses at 4 to 6 weeks apart for it to be truly effective. Heptavac P is also a "sledgehammer to crack a nut" and needs the two jabs to be truly effective and Ovivac used to be cheaper.
Footvax unless it has been improved significantly is an expensive vaccine to use and again needs two jabs 6 weeks apart to be properly effective and a full course will cost around £2.50. There is also the high risk of abscesses at the vaccination site. Possibly sensible for ewe lambs to be put into a flock but not for store lambs.

There is no way that there will be a general return to the use of OP, and yes it is a risk, especially with sheep bought through markets in certain areas. While not perfect, if it is possible to keep these sheep isolated for a short period then the blood test for detecting scab is now well proven. It has been suggested that it could be used as a pen side test in markets but of course by then the damage can already have been done.

Zolvix and some isolation in a pen will be the best preventative and money well spent before these new sheep come on to your farm.
The general use of Flukicides in lambs at this time of the year would also be a waste of time and money and increase the risk of resistance. From September onwards is the time to treat.
Boluses may be a cost worth incurring but should one not need to know what trace element that your land is specifically lacking or the type of feed provided is short of before giving a general bolus which may or may not supply the necessary requirements and is another expensive input. Very often salt or iodine and possibly a selenium and cobalt drench may be all that is required.

No one has mentioned fly cover. All sheep we sell have been treated with Clik extra which would certainly remove the need for any treatment with only the longer term lambs treated in May that might require a second cheap cover to get through the risk period.

Lambs that come from a reputable and reliable source that have been well farmed must be worth significantly more than these potential Scab carriers of dubious origins that require all these expensive inputs to give you peace of mind but may actually do very little!
£1-1.50 max too dip
Pence for a dose of zolvix
£1 for a shot of ovivac
Pence for a multi vit dose
£1 for a bolus
Pence for foot bath
Pence for a jab of alamycin
So £4-5 ish in the grand scheme of things that’s f**k all
 

neilo

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Montgomeryshire
£1-1.50 max too dip
Pence for a dose of zolvix
£1 for a shot of ovivac
Pence for a multi vit dose
£1 for a bolus
Pence for foot bath
Pence for a jab of alamycin
So £4-5 ish in the grand scheme of things that’s fudge all

It’s not a lot if you’re going to double your money on them, like some of the expert drawers on here did this year.

In a year when there’s only £15 in them, spending a fiver is a sizeable chunk.

No point in doing the job badly though, as with anything.
 

Anymulewilldo

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Cheshire
It’s not a lot if you’re going to double your money on them, like some of the expert drawers on here did this year.

In a year when there’s only £15 in them, spending a fiver is a sizeable chunk.

No point in doing the job badly though, as with anything.
It’s a sizeable chunk but a scab outbreak or extra 2% mortality and it’s soon nothing…
 

Farmer_Joe

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
The North
I bought ewes last year that the seller literally stood next too the auctioneer and said “these ewes were all dipped on Monday” … funnily enough a month later I was confirmed by the vet with scab 🤦‍♂️ Last time I take a sellers word for anything…
might have just run them through a stream :ROFLMAO:

i usually worn and fly treat and multi vit drench them, state it in sale when i sell god knows if it counts...

buying in breeders i fluke and usually jab with cydectin 2%la which i believe covers scab, not really option for stores as its massive withdrawl .
 

casper74

Member
Location
North Yorkshire
Early bought store lambs get 2 ovivac, wormer drench, and fly pour on and footbath. Later bought get 2 ovivac and wormer drench and footbath, some lame or poor doers get Alamycin la. I used to jab them all when they went onto Stubble turnips with Dectomax but couldn't get any last year.
 

Mc115reed

Member
Livestock Farmer
It’s not a lot if you’re going to double your money on them, like some of the expert drawers on here did this year.

In a year when there’s only £15 in them, spending a fiver is a sizeable chunk.

No point in doing the job badly though, as with anything.
When was the last time there was £15 in them though? When bought correctly not trying too make sure nobody else gets them….
 

Mc115reed

Member
Livestock Farmer
We’ve all spent plenty of years at £10 profit or less. But whenever I try and trim costs via the V&M side it always bites me on the backside later!
I know there been plenty bad years but it’s been quite a few years since there was f**k all money in the … bought correctly of course…
 

Frank-the-Wool

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
East Sussex
£1-1.50 max too dip
Pence for a dose of zolvix
£1 for a shot of ovivac
Pence for a multi vit dose
£1 for a bolus
Pence for foot bath
Pence for a jab of alamycin
So £4-5 ish in the grand scheme of things that’s fudge all

You must get your Alamycin LA cheaper than I can if it only costs pence.
They would need 3 ml and we have to pay around £30 .00 a bottle from the Vets so that is round 90p.
Between 5 and 6 pounds and no labour cost!!
 

Mc115reed

Member
Livestock Farmer
You must get your Alamycin LA cheaper than I can if it only costs pence.
They would need 3 ml and we have to pay around £30 .00 a bottle from the Vets so that is round 90p.
Between 5 and 6 pounds and no labour cost!!
Think it’s £28 a bottle thru vets after vat So 80-90p… but a lot cheaper elsewhere….and I didn’t include labour because A. Most farmers don’t value there own time, and B. To do all of the above a good man with a good set up and good pen dogs will do 100+ Lambs per hour so works out at pence per lamb..
 
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