Store lambs being pregnant

[Slackdogg69]

Hi everyone,

I bought some store lambs privately at the end of October last year and they have started lambing early March. All of them have come with a single slaughter tag and I wasn't expecting this.
Out of the 40 I have purchased I would guess that 10-20 are in lamb. Four have had single lambs already. One had a stillborn and then died the next day. This has obviously increased the workload and is now costing me as I've lost a lamb and having to pay to get it collected.
I know that these things do happen but is this something that the vendor should be liable for and where do I stand legally?

Thanks in advance

 

[Purli R]

That"s farming for ya

 

[TripleSix]

That's the gamble you take.

Easy enough mistake for a tup lamb be left behind.

 

[It was already broken.]

Unless you have it in writing that they are not pregnant (very unlikely!) then there are no comebacks on previous owner/breeder. You saw them, you liked them, you wanted them, you paid for them, the lambs are yours!!! Some people would be quite pleased.

 

[Nithsdale]

Feel their bellies, draw out the in lamb ones... do them well. Lamb them, upgrade the tags to your own double tags (you are allowed to!). Sell the hoggs with the lambs at foot. You'll get your money back, plus some.

 

[Man_in_black]

Absolutely no come back on vendor imo, pretty certain he'd have wanted extra £ if he'd known they in lamb.

If life gives you lemons then make lemonade.

 

[Nithsdale]

Absolutely no come back on vendor imo, pretty certain he'd have wanted extra £ if he'd known they in lamb.

If life gives you lemons then make lemonade.

I just want melons

 

[puppet]

You buy 40 store heifers and 10 are in calf- everyone still happy?

 

[Man_in_black]

I just want melons

Amen to that bro, if we on "ohhhh" I'm melons all the way!

 

[stevei]

If you’ve still got some that you think are in lamb surely they would’ve gone to ram in November?

 

[sherg]

I've got a few here that were bought in and in lamb whilst I don't think there's any comeback on the vendor it is an absolute disgrace, anyone who sells stores that have been running with tup lambs wants stringing up its bloody cruel. Hogs on roots with hoppers in isn't for in lamb hogs its not fair on the sheep or the finisher

 

[Mr always wrong]

You buy 40 store heifers and 10 are in calf- everyone still happy?

So why is it different with store cattle? In the past we have had heifers returned in calf and have had to pay keep to buyer as well

 

[matthew]

Feel their bellies, draw out the in lamb ones... do them well. Lamb them, upgrade the tags to your own double tags (you are allowed to!). Sell the hoggs with the lambs at foot. You'll get your money back, plus some.

^^^^ This.

And look at the date you bought them in. http://www.tvsp.org/gestation.html
If lambs are still coming now and in the future, is the 'culprit' with the 40? (Served November >)

 

[gatepost]

depends if they were bought through the ring, or privately, through the ring stores of anything should be empty, unless declared. I had a long and painful relationship with a chap who 'bought some heifers of me and found them to be in calf, as I castrate everything myself as a young calf and didn't run a bull, I thought it odd to say the least, but the auctioneers backed the well known pillar of local agricultural society up, in the end he would take them to the mart and I would pay the difference between fat price and what they made ,heavily in calf by now, I took my movement book, asked the market staff to read tag nos, this is before passports etc, result, embarrassed faces all around, not my cattle, the old arse couldn't keep records, sure there's a moral in there somewhere, never used that auction again.

 

[collie]

Hello just reading your thread,
I had quite a few last year found the culprit among the lambs i bought.a lot of people are ringing the tups but pushing the stones up inside as they kill out better but makes them look like weathers,so we check them carefully now when buying them in for long keep

 

[texelburger]

I always check every lamb,that we buy,to see if they have any stones.If they do the auctioneers have them back or if bought privately they go back to the vendor.Sometimes a few are already in lamb when they arrive and ,i agree,it can be a PITA.

 

[It was already broken.]

I always check every lamb,that we buy,to see if they have any stones.If they do the auctioneers have them back or if bought privately they go back to the vendor.Sometimes a few are already in lamb when they arrive and ,i agree,it can be a PITA.

Surely you can only send back to an auction if the auctioneer has said they are clean cut. If he says nothing then it is up to you if you buy before checking or not. Or have I got that completely wrong? Does it say somewhere all stores must be clean cut or declared as rigs if someone was selling stores?

 

[texelburger]

Surely you can only send back to an auction if the auctioneer has said they are clean cut. If he says nothing then it is up to you if you buy before checking or not. Or have I got that completely wrong? Does it say somewhere all stores must be clean cut or declared as rigs if someone was selling stores?

Auctioneer always takes them back if there not meant to be any tups in.They always declare when there are tups included,if they say nothing the assumption is there are none.They never quibble.

 

[glasshouse]

it can be a total disaster

 

[JD-Kid]

think if sold as ewe lambs might have some kinda case but if sold as mixed sex it would be buyer beware and check if any males in there and keep apart
it's realy the wording on how sold that may be the come back

know of guys buying scaned dry hoggets only to find out later on a few lambs show up maybe too small to find scanning etc some would talk to the seller and makeing a bit of song and dance others would just go ummm bit of a bugger but scanners can miss the odd one and i got a lamb out of it gift horse kinda thing