Store losses

[Steevo]

Just curious here.....

I remember reading from central storage threads that they usually knock off a certain % for storage losses.

I'm curious whether those on here with a weighbridge that weigh the grain into store, then weight it back out again have ever made comparisons between the two figures.

I can see how the figures could be different - grain respires, loses moisture, takes on moisture etc. when in the store but wouldn't have a clue how the two compare. The only grain weights we ever have are the lorry weights once it has left the farm.


Please could we avoid turning this into a central storage discussion thread too please

 

[Jetemp]

in my experience weights usually differ around 0.5 - 1 % however cooling grain with air from some of the hugh temperatures it was coming off the field last harvest is going to be interesting! I think there may we’ll be a drying effect and therefore an excessive weight loss!

 

[Farma Parma]

In our Grain Coop its called SILO Surplus.
Dont ask ex-actually what the figures are but as Members we get back what ever the surplus was in the form of a few ££ a ton the year after its all sold.
The weight will be marginal but it all adds up

 

[Banana Bar]

We have a storage loss of 1% in our CS. I have spoken to some private stores with commercial weighbridges who say it’s nearer .3%!

BB

 

[Brisel]

@Clive @Derky @Woldgrain Storage

IMO 1% is comfortable. 0.5% is very tight. This would be in addition to weight loss from cleaning and drying.

 

[Clive]

@Clive @Derky @Woldgrain Storage

IMO 1% is comfortable. 0.5% is very tight. This would be in addition to weight loss from cleaning and drying.

1% is taking the pee ! someone will be ending up with a very nice bonus pile of YOUR grain to sell - do central stores REALLY get away with that ?

Merchant stores allow 0.25% ............. and we often made a profit out of that !!

for many years Frontier only allowed us 0.1% - that was tight but not a million miles out most years to be honest

 

[Lincsman]

Isnt it 0.25% loss every time you move grain... dust etc floating away. That said weighbridges round to the nearest 20 KG and only have to be within 0.5% accuarte

 

[Clive]

Isnt it 0.25% loss every time you move grain... dust etc floating away. That said weighbridges round to the nearest 20 KG and only have to be within 0.5% accuarte

no - it’s nothing like that high

 

[Clive]

We have a storage loss of 1% in our CS. I have spoken to some private stores with commercial weighbridges who say it’s nearer .3%!

BB

some serious pee is being taken Andrew ! as above we worked at 0.1% for frontier over several years and never once had a deficit and then later made a tidy profit out of working at 0.25%

1% would have given us several bonus loads to sell when the stores were “empty”. on a big CS that could add up to thousands of tonnes ?

 

[Brisel]

Remind me, who owns the CS? Who then benefits from the shrinkage? The owners. If the farmers own the store...

 

[Clive]

Remind me, who owns the CS? Who then benefits from the shrinkage? The owners. If the farmers own the store...

yes it matters less if a CS i guess if members get the left over crop distributed back to them

but seeing a commercial store working at 3% in above posts someone is doing VERY nicely out of that - in fact that will be making them more money than the storage fee i suspect

 

[Brisel]

Lots of fortunes made from Intervention stores who had a shrinkage allowance even higher than that - 5% if I remember correctly.

 

[Phil P]

no - it’s nothing like that high

Unless the guy loading over the side of the wagon forgot to clean his glasses that morning ?

 

[ajd132]

some serious pee is being taken Andrew ! as above we worked at 0.1% for frontier over several years and never once had a deficit and then later made a tidy profit out of working at 0.25%

1% would have given us several bonus loads to sell when the stores were “empty”. on a big CS that could add up to thousands of tonnes ?

Remember it is the farmers who own the co op with accounts available to every member every year. I don’t know about others but I know the one we are members of would be happy to answer any questions and concerns on this transparently to the members. It will come back into the pot. I’d much prefer that than putting it into a store owned by a single farmer on a commercial basis!

 

[teslacoils]

The angel share is only to cover the cs for coming short etc. It all goes back in the pot and comes back to us.

 

[Lincsman]

Lots of fortunes made from Intervention stores who had a shrinkage allowance even higher than that - 5% if I remember correctly.

A lot of "shrinkage" was replaced by sand, a local store to me had a surplus due to them bringing in farm dried grain to replace roof leakage damaged grain at their own cost, the "officials" had no idea what to do with it as it had never happened before.

 

[Lexion1000]

1% is taking the pee ! someone will be ending up with a very nice bonus pile of YOUR grain to sell - do central stores REALLY get away with that ?

Merchant stores allow 0.25% ............. and we often made a profit out of that !!

for many years Frontier only allowed us 0.1% - that was tight but not a million miles out most years to be honest

Were you drying it, was it coming in cold and how long were you storing for? I’ve never got close to .1% in my store, it’s usually in the region of .75-1%. But that’s cooling it to below 10 degrees, drying most of it, allowing for some overdrying and often storing until June or July.

I would accept that if you take it all in dry and cold you shouldn’t have much store loss..

 

[Woldgrain Storage]

IMO 1% is comfortable. 0.5% is very tight. This would be in addition to weight loss from cleaning and drying.

Our store losses are possibly unique, as we deduct 1.25% across all crops (including aspiration pre-cleaning).

Screenings are deducted as per the merchant's contract.

All admix is deducted except oilseed and beans which are credited with 2%.

No weight loss is deducted for colour sorting.

The aim is to keep the store on the right side i.e. end the year with the merchants slightly owing the store, rather than the other way round.

All store surpluses are then either used to subsidise the running of the store or are returned to members (or usually a combination of the two).