Straw per ton 2020

[Lincsman]

I'm happy to forgo all profits & sell my grain/straw at production cost.

Not sure the market will stand such a high price.

 

[som farmer]

the price is set by what farmers will pay, not necessarily what some can afford, arable guys, have a choice between chopping, or baling, if yields are low, more will bale, to offset some of corn income. If every one 'played fair' there would be no shortage, but the arable guys, seem to catch a 'cold', and get caught out. It is the arable farmers, that are reasonably priced, and have long term agreements with farmers, or dealers, that win, hands down. It would be interesting to know, the price, of those bales, left in fields, perhaps they were to greedy, in the first instance !

 

[Sid]

They have to pay a fair rate or arable farmers won't want the aggro, I understand it completely. First thing is, oh can we leave the straw down for 2 days whilst it dries out, then no baler shows up and you are left with a real problem that delays everything else.

That would pish me off.

I would want the straw baled and stacked in the corner of each field the moment it fell out of the back of the combine.

You should have cut it earlier if you wanted the field cleared earlier ????

That would pish me off. I've incurred he cost of growing it, cutting it and baling it and don't get paid for it for near 10 months? I can think of some choice adjectives to describe that. Everyone has bills to pay.

Do you get paid that quickly for the grain???

 

[Headless chicken]

Ah, the old livestock farmers can't afford it chestnut. I was with you for a few years, I really was. But after a decade of loading brand new John Deeres and new 28 ' Bailey trailers with my 20 year old Manipoo ( or 35 year old Sanderson if it breaks down ) the penny finally dropped. I for one ain't falling for it again.

I’ve got an old marshall trailer that develops a flat tyre everytime you put a sensible load on it, does that mean you’ll flog it to me cheap?

Still owed for a load from a forum stock farmer, delivered last July!

Very poor show but atleast they are communicating to some degree. I got shafted before by someone. Stick them in court I lost about 2k but atleast I had the rest back.

 

[Surgery]

I’ve got an old marshall trailer that develops a flat tyre everytime you put a sensible load on it, does that mean you’ll flog it to me cheap?


Very poor show but atleast they are communicating to some degree. I got shafted before by someone. Stick them in court I lost about 2k but atleast I had the rest back.

I agree , maybe a little nudge on here might do the trick , it did with me when I started a thread on being owed on a load of straw by someone on here , didn’t mention names but funny enough they couldn’t pay quick enough

 

[Headless chicken]

I agree , maybe a little nudge on here might do the trick , it did with me when I started a thread on being owed on a load of straw by someone on here , didn’t mention names but funny enough they couldn’t pay quick enough

agreed. I’ll help anyone where possible aslong as I know what’s going on

 

[ollie989898]

You should have cut it earlier if you wanted the field cleared earlier ????

Do you get paid that quickly for the grain???

Grain typically gets paid for the month it gets moved.

If the farmer wanted to move the straw and store it at his own premises and charge an eventual buyer more money later on?

 

[som farmer]

many ways are possible, as long as every one knows where they stand.

 

[D14]

I'm sticking ours into an auction with a reserve price of £65/acre. If it sells it sells if it doesn't it doesn't but I am not giving it away and not bothered if somebody buys it or not. I figure if it does 1t/acre thats £65/tonne before their baling costs and haulage and then a subsequent sale price of £100/tonne or more due to a shortage and if it does more than 1t/acre then they are quids in but I still get my £65/acre.

 

[Farmerdunk]

I'm sticking ours into an auction with a reserve price of £65/acre. If it sells it sells if it doesn't it doesn't but I am not giving it away and not bothered if somebody buys it or not. I figure if it does 1t/acre thats £65/tonne before their baling costs and haulage and then a subsequent sale price of £100/tonne or more due to a shortage and if it does more than 1t/acre then they are quids in but I still get my £65/acre.

What auction you thinking off putting it in? Anywhere nr herts beds Cambs area? We got a great looking crop of winter barley, never sold it at auction, maybe tempted this year

 

[bankrupt]

many ways are possible, as long as every one knows where they stand.

Precisely - we're more than happy here to wait for customers' BPS payments to come in but, thanks to the RPA's big meltdown on the Commons, it's still always clear as mud as to when that might be.

 

[Sid]

Grain typically gets paid for the month it gets moved.

Like you would with the straw.

Happy to sit on the grain but not the straw?

 

[ollie989898]

Like you would with the straw.

Happy to sit on the grain but not the straw?

I'm not sure what point you are making.

 

[Sid]

I'm not sure what point you are making.

That would pish me off. I've incurred he cost of growing it, cutting it and baling it and don't get paid for it for near 10 months? I can think of some choice adjectives to describe that. Everyone has bills to pay.

The point I am making is that you are happy to wait 11 months and sit on the grain for maybe another 10 months.
But not with the straw.

Don't get me wrong when its sold it should be paid for but if you want quick turnover farming isn't the game to be in.

 

[ollie989898]

The point I am making is that you are happy to wait 11 months and sit on the grain for maybe another 10 months.
But not with the straw.

Don't get me wrong when its sold it should be paid for but if you want quick turnover farming isn't the game to be in.

I am sure arable farmers will be along shortly to tell you what they sell and when. I doubt very many of them can afford zero income for 6 months after harvest.

Using other farmers as a bank is unfair. If someone needs to borrow money there are institutions that provide it- for a fee.

 

[bankrupt]

Using other farmers as a bank is unfair. If someone needs to borrow money there are institutions that provide it- for a fee.

Quite so, ollie989898.

Openfield, for example, now have a useful scheme set up whereby sale agreements for grain can result in cash arriving in the producer's pocket several months ahead of delivery.

We shall now be making this available to all of our straw customers as a recommended option for 2020/21.

 

[Nearly]

I've just had a 27t load of barn stored wheat straw delivered at £72/t.
I don't think it's going to go down in price.
If we get a lot of rain and I make a lot of silage I'll sell my own straw.

 

[T Hectares]

The point I am making is that you are happy to wait 11 months and sit on the grain for maybe another 10 months.
But not with the straw.

Don't get me wrong when its sold it should be paid for but if you want quick turnover farming isn't the game to be in.

I don’t want to sit on Straw for 6 months after harvest as I don’t have buildings to store it in !!
Any buildings surplus to our Core Arable business are commercial let’s

 

[fieldfarmer]

The point I am making is that you are happy to wait 11 months and sit on the grain for maybe another 10 months.
But not with the straw.

Don't get me wrong when its sold it should be paid for but if you want quick turnover farming isn't the game to be in.

But in my instance I'm not sat on the straw , it was delivered to customer used over winter and still not paid for, not the same as grain sat in my shed is it?

 

[som farmer]

I expect many sellers would prefer to put it in farm barns, and negotiate payment terms, as long as they knew the money would arrive, as per agreement. After all, less work for them, hauling, stacking in their sheds, reloading and delivering, is extra work.