Small farmers didn’t get away without having to make a living, small farmers had to make a living, the only section of farms that stopped having to make a living were the bigger farmers.
A simple cap would have corrected the system, quite a lot.
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A simple cap would have corrected the system, quite a lot.
icanshootwell
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Yes we spread prilled N in the spring when the crop is taking up nutrients, not much N in muck anyway but is a p and k benefit when applied in the Autumn.
For me I would rather see a lot of small farms than a few big ones, it’s better for the economy in the long run.
Hindsight
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Part of the reason a cap on payments was not enacted was the likelihood of individual businesses being split to maximise payments. History suggested some farmers would be duplictious and reorganise their business structure to maximise payment. So you may grumble but sometimes farmers are own worst enemie.
to an extent we have seen it anyway wi rise of contract farming.
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It's an abandoned landscape alright.
I might get told to change the record, but of course the other effect of farm subsidies is that the corporate food system gets access to supplies at or below the cost of production. Without those subsidies (which I have been a willing participant in) lamb from those flocks or apples from those trees or whatever could not have been produced by anyone making a living. So the price would then rise in a shortage and the market starts to work again by encouraging new production.
I suspect the coming changes will affect the supply industry and those who we supply at least as much as farmers themselves.
Nor is BPS
And that is the whole point. The bureaucracy beast needs feeding every day and with ever-increasing amounts of bureaucracy food. It squishes all who dare to be in its path.
put more organic matter in the soil
What is bps?
Courier
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On its way out - Maybe you hadn't heard ?
Otherwise known as SFP (Nomenclature more similar to SFI with the intention of creating confusion)
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How do you reseed steep shallow soil pp?
Our pp is there as it can not be worked as to steep for machines.
Its developed over nearly 100 years of animal grazing to be what it is.
Was mainly open cast and left in a mess.
Farming and animals have reclaimed it and stabilised it.
But don't see how I resend it with a herbal ley...
Our pp is there as it can not be worked as to steep for machines.
Its developed over nearly 100 years of animal grazing to be what it is.
Was mainly open cast and left in a mess.
Farming and animals have reclaimed it and stabilised it.
But don't see how I resend it with a herbal ley...
puntabrava
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He must be, 23 pages on the future of sustaining an income stream and not a peep.
Isn't this ELMS fiasco much like the £17 billion lost in the bounce back loans, as far as I can see at the moment there does not seem to be any monitoring of these thousand & one different "options" so aren't the slightly dishonest going to simply put down for everything whether they comply or not, in fact aren't we all better doing this?
They are making it so complicated & open to interpretation that it would seem wide open to abuse, thank goodness we have a government that learns from it's mistakes otherwise we would be in a right old mess!
They are making it so complicated & open to interpretation that it would seem wide open to abuse, thank goodness we have a government that learns from it's mistakes otherwise we would be in a right old mess!
Not sure these theoretical splitting of businesses would be such a problem as long as it was a genuine split & there is a cap on all payments, the money saved from multi millionaires would more than make up for the little lost.
Of course I know that, I was asking what is bps if it is not a subsidy in reply to the comment
Sorry I was replying to another statement I know what it is!On its way out - Maybe you hadn't heard ?
Otherwise known as SFP (Nomenclature more similar to SFI with the intention of creating confusion)
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buffalo_soldier
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I'm not going to get through 20 odd pages so if this has been asked already I apologise.
What will be the inspection process, criteria, frequency, penalties for errors, etc?
It looks like I'm only going to be eligible for the lower tier of the options. Already doing OM monitoring, so it's just the added ppwork really.
On a sub 100Ha claim I'm probably favouring being left alone.
What will be the inspection process, criteria, frequency, penalties for errors, etc?
It looks like I'm only going to be eligible for the lower tier of the options. Already doing OM monitoring, so it's just the added ppwork really.
On a sub 100Ha claim I'm probably favouring being left alone.
Pleased to see folks discussing the benefits of weighted payments/ caps on payments (one and the same). Janet says they aren't 'planning' to do this. Pressure needs to be brought such that those plans, like much of the SFI, change.
Hopefully it protects pp from tree planting at the very least. That is just the ultimate in stupidity regarding any benefit for climate change, unless we have 20 years to wait, which we are told we don't.
As for muck spreading, the autumn ban on FYM for winter crops runs a close second to the above, they are depriving the soil of P and K while making very little difference to the N level. Farmers need to get together and refuse to take sludge until that idea is reversed.
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