Sustainable Farming Incentive is open for applications June 2022

[Farma Parma]

Lad who sorted my Higher Tier scheme out mentioned in chit chat last wk out of 100 bps claimants he does only 2 showed the slightest interest in SFI
what does that tell you all eh.

 

[AnnaMooMoo]

Lad who sorted my Higher Tier scheme out mentioned in chit chat last wk out of 100 bps claimants he does only 2 showed the slightest interest in SFI
what does that tell you all eh.

But his sample of 100 is skewed as they are more likely to be involved in CS…
2% is about right for the “less than 2000” farms.

The whole thing stinks.

 

[Wombat]

My point being that we are not doing ANYTHING we weren't doing anyway. Strip till, tick, OM testing, tick, keeping a diary, tick. Any thing more onerous isn't going to happen without massive increase in payment rates. Simple as that.

I wouldn’t do that for 25% or my current BPS even though I am doing it already. The hassle factor and maybe it’s just me that gets it from them isn’t worth it.

 

[Vader]

My point being that we are not doing ANYTHING we weren't doing anyway. Strip till, tick, OM testing, tick, keeping a diary, tick. Any thing more onerous isn't going to happen without massive increase in payment rates. Simple as that.

Hard over all your soil testing data when they ask for it, tick.
Not knowing how they will use the data, tick...

 

[britt]

Hard over all your soil testing data when they ask for it, tick.
Not knowing how they will use the data, tick...

They're not content with knowing where every tree, pylon or pond is on your farm, they now want records of what they can't see from their satellites.

 

[Wombat]

They're not content with knowing where every tree, pylon or pond is on your farm, they now want records of what they can't see from their satellites.

God help them as they their remote sensing is so f**king useless and that’s on stuff that tends not to vary that much. Can you imagine them with soil samples.

 

[willyorkshire]

God help them as they their remote sensing is so f**king useless and that’s on stuff that tends not to vary that much. Can you imagine them with soil samples.

Under the current agreement, there is no requirement to reveal soil test results. Just evidence you've done them. If it was more, I wouldn't do it.

 

[Vader]

Under the current agreement, there is no requirement to reveal soil test results. Just evidence you've done them. If it was more, I wouldn't do it.

There is mate.
I highlighted this way ages ago.
From the gov site.

to meet this action.

To help us improve national data on the condition of England’s soils, you’ll need to provide some information when we ask you for it as part of the soils strategy once it’s launched. This will include:

• basic information from your soil assessment
• the soil organic matter test results under action 2

This data is one of the public goods that the standard is paying for and part of wider government measures in relation to our future soils strategy.

 

[willyorkshire]

There is mate.
I highlighted this way ages ago.
From the gov site.

to meet this action.

To help us improve national data on the condition of England’s soils, you’ll need to provide some information when we ask you for it as part of the soils strategy once it’s launched. This will include:

• basic information from your soil assessment
• the soil organic matter test results under action 2

This data is one of the public goods that the standard is paying for and part of wider government measures in relation to our future soils strategy.

Not in the pilot.

 

[Courier]

Thats exactly what will happen. Defra should hang their head in shame

I have to admit that now in my 73rd year with a diverse business and family thoroughly involved I thought that the “Exit Scheme” to bring forward the remaining BPS cash could be a possibility - quite simply it is NOT and my exit from agriculture will be in a box

 

[Humble Village Farmer]

There is mate.
I highlighted this way ages ago.
From the gov site.

to meet this action.

To help us improve national data on the condition of England’s soils, you’ll need to provide some information when we ask you for it as part of the soils strategy once it’s launched. This will include:

• basic information from your soil assessment
• the soil organic matter test results under action 2

This data is one of the public goods that the standard is paying for and part of wider government measures in relation to our future soils strategy.

So what?

 

[topground]

This thread is becoming similar to the ‘How to move a dead horse? ‘ thread.
With every new post the hope flickers that @Janet Hughes Defra is back with news. @ Inspector Cluedo never came back.
Is Sadly Financially Inadequate similarly dead and immovable? We should be told!

 

[Vader]

So what?

If you trust the Gov with info of your farm, then good for you.
I don't.
They want it for a reason, probably to hammer farmers with some new rule when they misunderstand the data they get.
We see from elms now that it's a mess as they don't understand farming. More info they have, more mess they will make.

 

[Humble Village Farmer]

If you trust the Gov with info of your farm, then good for you.
I don't.
They want it for a reason, probably to hammer farmers with some new rule when they misunderstand the data they get.
We see from elms now that it's a mess as they don't understand farming. More info they have, more mess they will make.

Nothing wrong with a bit of healthy scepticism.

I don't mind people knowing my soil carbon and I don't mind getting advice on how to improve it, which is some of what elms or the SFI seem to be about.

At the end of the day it's still my farm. If some practices are outlawed in the interests of the environment, I'm happy to go along with it

 

[steveR]

If you trust the Gov with info of your farm, then good for you.
I don't.
They want it for a reason, probably to hammer farmers with some new rule when they misunderstand the data they get.
We see from elms now that it's a mess as they don't understand farming. More info they have, more mess they will make.

Especially when the data is in the hands of those with an Agenda that is antagonistic to agriculture, or some sector of it.

 

[steveR]

This thread is becoming similar to the ‘How to move a dead horse? ‘ thread.
With every new post the hope flickers that @Janet Hughes Defra is back with news. @ Inspector Cluedo never came back.
Is Sadly Financially Inadequate similarly dead and immovable? We should be told!

Well, @delilah has asked that Janet Hughes keeps TFF up to speed, as very few people I know in farming bother with twitter etc. I understand that this is now her preferred means of communication!

Even an anonymous post or 3 would be appreciated.

 

[Huno]

If you read Farmers Weekly this weekend you would see that @Janet Hughes Defra completely ignored our feedback whether positive or negative for the last 12 months and that SFI , lump sum payments and grants reflect that on November 5th 2022... Her Lords and Masters drove this mess and must also clean it up... she was warned.. she ignored TFF advice... Result.. complete policy failure at this Juncture... Result .. prepare ourselves for a future without Gov.UK control and interference...

 

[J 1177]

If you read Farmers Weekly this weekend you would see that @Janet Hughes Defra completely ignored our feedback whether positive or negative for the last 12 months and that SFI , lump sum payments and grants reflect that on November 5th 2022... Her Lords and Masters drove this mess and must also clean it up... she was warned.. she ignored TFF advice... Result.. complete policy failure at this Juncture... Result .. prepare ourselves for a future without Gov.UK control and interference...

so basically theyve paid lip service to listening to us and its all been a load of rubbish

 

[BrianV]

so basically theyve paid lip service to listening to us and its all been a load of rubbish

No surprise there then!

 

[holwellcourtfarm]

so basically theyve paid lip service to listening to us and its all been a load of rubbish

They've been hearing us but not actually listening it seems