Sustainable Farming Incentive - Pilot Information (including PAYMENT RATES)

[topground]

The beef I produce does not rely on electricity , the grass grows because it rains and there is daylight. The economics of vertical farming and artificial meat which require inputs I use for free must be questionable at very least particularly in a world where energy costs can only rise not forgetting the ill health issues arising from the consumption of highly priced foods. If you can’t prepare a meal from basic ingredients in your own kitchen it will probably not be good for you in the long term. Might not do much for the profits of the multinational food processors who promote Frankenstein foods in their quest for market share.

 

[Overby]

There is SO MUCH that is quietly kept from the British public about how their food is created. Lifting the lid can be enlightening, alarming and infuriating all at once.

This is the point I was getting at when I brought it up, the developments are far in advance of what we actually know, Futurists are convinced vertical will be a huuuuge thing within 30 - 30 years.

I think there'll always be a place for the traditional as a choice for the consumer, but anyone doubting the monumental changes coming will be in for a shock.

 

[delilah]

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/sustainable-farming-incentive-expression-of-interest

 

[holwellcourtfarm]

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/sustainable-farming-incentive-expression-of-interest

So by April 11th they'll know how popular the idea is.....

 

[Y Fan Wen]

The beef I produce does not rely on electricity , the grass grows because it rains and there is daylight. The economics of vertical farming and artificial meat which require inputs I use for free must be questionable at very least particularly in a world where energy costs can only rise not forgetting the I’ll health issues arising from the consumption of highly priced foods. If you can’t prepare a meal from basic ingredients in your own kitchen it will probably not be good for you in the long term. Might not do much for the profits of the multinational food processors who promote Frankenstein foods in their quest for market share.

'As the costs of modern meat and milk products drop below those of animal-derived
competitors, new producers may flourish as their margins increase far beyond those
in livestock farming. For early in the disruption, animal products will set the marginal
price for modern foods. Given the cost advantages modern products enjoy, this will
lead to a period of exceptional margins that is likely to drive even greater investment
in the modern food sector. However, over time, as supply grows and competition
increases, modern products themselves will begin to set the marginal price, thus
reducing margins back to a longer-term, equilibrium level.'

'Modern food products should lead to a
reduction in diet-related health issues, such as obesity,
diabetes, cancer, and heart conditions.'

'Social Implications:
» » Higher quality food will become cheaper and more
accessible for everyone.
» » The poorest American families could save 8% of
their income each year, equivalent to $700, by 2030
through cost savings made by buying modern foods
that are up to 80% cheaper than existing animal-
derived products.
» » Half of the 1.2 million jobs in U.S. beef and dairy
production and their associated industries will be
lost by 2030, climbing towards 90% by 2035.
» » Employment and incomes in all other U.S. livestock
and commercial fisheries industries will follow
suit, for a total loss of more than 1.7 million jobs
by 2035.
» » The emerging U.S. PF industry will create at least
700,000 jobs by 2030 and up to 1 million jobs
by 2035.
Economic Implications:
» » The cost of modern foods and other PF products
will be at least 50% and as much as 80% lower than
the animal-derived products they replace, which
will translate into substantially lower prices and
increased disposable incomes.
» » The average U.S. family will save more than $1,200
a year in food costs. This will keep an additional
$100bn a year in Americans’ pockets by 2030.'

From; Rethinking Food and Agriculture 2020-2030

 

[delilah]

So by April 11th they'll know how popular the idea is.....

I don't doubt it will be popular. I just doubt there will be any public good (or, for that matter, any good for UK ag).

 

[onesiedale]

'As the costs of modern meat and milk products drop below those of animal-derived
competitors, new producers may flourish as their margins increase far beyond those
in livestock farming. For early in the disruption, animal products will set the marginal
price for modern foods. Given the cost advantages modern products enjoy, this will
lead to a period of exceptional margins that is likely to drive even greater investment
in the modern food sector. However, over time, as supply grows and competition
increases, modern products themselves will begin to set the marginal price, thus
reducing margins back to a longer-term, equilibrium level.'

'Modern food products should lead to a
reduction in diet-related health issues, such as obesity,
diabetes, cancer, and heart conditions.'

'Social Implications:
» » Higher quality food will become cheaper and more
accessible for everyone.
» » The poorest American families could save 8% of
their income each year, equivalent to $700, by 2030
through cost savings made by buying modern foods
that are up to 80% cheaper than existing animal-
derived products.
» » Half of the 1.2 million jobs in U.S. beef and dairy
production and their associated industries will be
lost by 2030, climbing towards 90% by 2035.
» » Employment and incomes in all other U.S. livestock
and commercial fisheries industries will follow
suit, for a total loss of more than 1.7 million jobs
by 2035.
» » The emerging U.S. PF industry will create at least
700,000 jobs by 2030 and up to 1 million jobs
by 2035.
Economic Implications:
» » The cost of modern foods and other PF products
will be at least 50% and as much as 80% lower than
the animal-derived products they replace, which
will translate into substantially lower prices and
increased disposable incomes.
» » The average U.S. family will save more than $1,200
a year in food costs. This will keep an additional
$100bn a year in Americans’ pockets by 2030.'

From; Rethinking Food and Agriculture 2020-2030

Interesting to see that Quorn get a big thank you for their help whilst compiling the report

 

[holwellcourtfarm]

'As the costs of modern meat and milk products drop below those of animal-derived
competitors, new producers may flourish as their margins increase far beyond those
in livestock farming. For early in the disruption, animal products will set the marginal
price for modern foods. Given the cost advantages modern products enjoy, this will
lead to a period of exceptional margins that is likely to drive even greater investment
in the modern food sector. However, over time, as supply grows and competition
increases, modern products themselves will begin to set the marginal price, thus
reducing margins back to a longer-term, equilibrium level.'

'Modern food products should lead to a
reduction in diet-related health issues, such as obesity,
diabetes, cancer, and heart conditions.'

'Social Implications:
» » Higher quality food will become cheaper and more
accessible for everyone.
» » The poorest American families could save 8% of
their income each year, equivalent to $700, by 2030
through cost savings made by buying modern foods
that are up to 80% cheaper than existing animal-
derived products.
» » Half of the 1.2 million jobs in U.S. beef and dairy
production and their associated industries will be
lost by 2030, climbing towards 90% by 2035.
» » Employment and incomes in all other U.S. livestock
and commercial fisheries industries will follow
suit, for a total loss of more than 1.7 million jobs
by 2035.
» » The emerging U.S. PF industry will create at least
700,000 jobs by 2030 and up to 1 million jobs
by 2035.
Economic Implications:
» » The cost of modern foods and other PF products
will be at least 50% and as much as 80% lower than
the animal-derived products they replace, which
will translate into substantially lower prices and
increased disposable incomes.
» » The average U.S. family will save more than $1,200
a year in food costs. This will keep an additional
$100bn a year in Americans’ pockets by 2030.'

From; Rethinking Food and Agriculture 2020-2030

What's a "modern food product"?

As for 'Modern food products should lead to a reduction in diet-related health issues, such as obesity, diabetes, cancer, and heart conditions' Where is the evidence? Zoe Harcombe and others have clearly demonstrated that the "evidence" for causal links between red meat and ill health is weak to the point of fraud. It's hydrogenated vegetable oils, excessive sugar and other laboratory sourced food additives that most likely lie behind the explosion of health problems in modern western society and laboratory derived foods do nothing to reverse that trend.

 

[topground]

From; Rethinking Food and Agriculture 2020-2030

Which organisation funded this report and who contributed to its content?
There is no longer any independent reliable science since he who pays the piper calls the tune. Those providing the funding set out the conclusion they expect for their money and the ‘scientists’ provide the veneer of respectability to sell the conclusion big business wanted as a self fulfilling prophesy.

 

[holwellcourtfarm]

Which organisation funded this report and who contributed to its content?
There is no longer any independent reliable science since he who pays the piper calls the tune. Those providing the funding set out the conclusion they expect for their money and the ‘scientists’ provide the veneer of respectability to sell the conclusion big business wanted as a self fulfilling prophesy.

The main person behind RethinkX seems to be James Arbib, a London based business investor with diverse interests in technology companies. I wouldn't be too surprised if he has invested money in alternative food companies and could gain financially from such companies succeeding.

 

[Y Fan Wen]

Just to make it clear, I'm not happy about what is in this report but also I'm not at all sure that rubbishing it is any good. Surely we should be taking it into account in our planning? Talking about frankenfoods and casting doubt on the money behind it is just being an ostrich I'm afraid.
As the report says, ruining the market for one product of the cow industry ruins the market for the rest. We've all suffered from the loss in value of the 5th quarter following the spread of BSE. Will the milk market survive the loss of the whey and casein markets so that they become a liability rather than an income stream?

Cellular Agriculture: Time for Wales to Get Ahead of the Competition - Institute of Welsh Affairs

Cultivating meat in laboratories is the future of agriculture and Wales should be at the forefront of this innovation, writes Dan Ward.

www.iwa.wales

 

[Y Fan Wen]

Interesting to see that Quorn get a big thank you for their help whilst compiling the report

Showing them round the factory and explaining the process seems quite reasonable for someone who is researching a report like this.

 

[delilah]

• enter land parcels (fields) into the pilot that do not have an existing agri-environment agreement on them, for example Countryside Stewardship

The above from the guidance notes, does anyone know what date that applies at, eg can you express an interest whilst still in a scheme so long as that scheme has expired before your pilot starts ? ( Answer probably revealed once you log in to express an interest ? not gone that far yet )

 

[delilah]

Given that it's a pilot.....
Does your commitment only last as long as your pilot ? If you take the £x/ha/yr to put arable down the grass, and you get paid that money for the two years of your pilot, can you then rip it up again ?
( For that matter, how long are you committed to leaving it as grass for once the scheme starts proper ?)

 

[DRC]

So by April 11th they'll know how popular the idea is.....

Talking to a friend that does lots of agreements for clients, she says she’s struggling to think of any of her clients that could apply, as all that are interested are already in a scheme.
I could apply as currently not in a scheme, but had a HLS for 10 years, so know the ropes, so to speak, but I think one of the wildlife offers plus capital grants, will be a better option

 

[holwellcourtfarm]

Talking to a friend that does lots of agreements for clients, she says she’s struggling to think of any of her clients that could apply, as all that are interested are already in a scheme.
I could apply as currently not in a scheme, but had a HLS for 10 years, so know the ropes, so to speak, but I think one of the wildlife offers plus capital grants, will be a better option

That's my point. Come April 11th they may well find very few have applied for exactly that reason.

 

[delilah]

Only a cynic would suggest that they have purposely picked the busiest month in the PP farmers year.

 

[DRC]

Only a cynic would suggest that they have purposely picked the busiest month in the PP farmers year.

The only busy month in PP farming . As I kid my tack sheep men, I’d love to have the summer off.

 

[steveR]

Talking to a friend that does lots of agreements for clients, she says she’s struggling to think of any of her clients that could apply, as all that are interested are already in a scheme.
I could apply as currently not in a scheme, but had a HLS for 10 years, so know the ropes, so to speak, but I think one of the wildlife offers plus capital grants, will be a better option

Same here.

 

[steveR]

So by April 11th they'll know how popular the idea is.....

Not very appealing I suspect, from reading through the accompanying documentation.