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DD isnt the bee all & end all there ranting on about neitherThere's a DD'er repeatedly made the comment on here "Paying me to do what I do anyway" .
DD isnt the bee all & end all there ranting on about neitherThere's a DD'er repeatedly made the comment on here "Paying me to do what I do anyway" .
Maybe. It can be read several ways.So if your in a basic level, and then upgrade to intermediate and advanced, you collect and accumulate the payments of all 3 tiers of them?
Like what I mean is you don't just receive the payment for advanced if your just in the advanced top tier?
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So what ,the dd’ers are always making claims that cannot be proven especially towards carbon storage of their system and its not dd they are going to pay for its min till mainly to stop pollution!There's a DD'er repeatedly made the comment on here "Paying me to do what I do anyway" .
Cutting costs by dd ing gets no arguments from me but their enviromental claims cannot be back upDD isnt the bee all & end all there ranting on about neither
So what ,the dd’ers are always making claims that cannot be proven especially towards carbon storage of their system
its not dd they are going to pay for its min till mainly to stop pollution!
He’s no different to a snake oil salesman! He will try and push his point just as everyone else willAgreed. All the more reason it shouldn't be subsidized over any other crop establishment technique.
The DD poster, who says that he will be paid to do what he does anyway, also says that he is meeting with Defra this month to ensure that 'reduced tillage' means DD and DD alone.
There seems to be some misunderstanding of the proposed payment rates for the pilot.£22/ Ha.
There seems to be some misunderstanding of the proposed payment rates for the pilot.
£22/ha is for Low input/semi improved grassland at the basic level, there are two other levels, intermediate at £89/ha and Advanced at £110/ha. This is for land that is receiving very little in the way of inputs.
Much permanent pasture will fall under the improved grassland standard which includes any temporary grass that is likely to remain for 5 years plus. This standard pays £27/ha at basic, £62/ha at Intermediate and £97/ha at Advanced on top of that is grassland soils payment of £6 for basic and intermediate and £8 at advanced.
Note these are NOT cumulative you get paid for the standard you choose only.
Depending on the topography of the farm additional payments are on offer, so if on improved grassland you are a moderate or high risk of run off another £56/ha would be paid.
E.G Improved grassland (inc pp) at the intermediate level could if deemed at risk of run off get £62 +6 + 56/ ha = £124/ha
It works in a similar way on the arable land so at the intermediate level you get £54/ha plus £47/ha for arable soils and if deemed at risk of run off an additional £114/ha for establishing winter cover. = £215/ha.
Its very difficult to say a blanket figure because it is dependent on the individual farm types, soil, slope etc. But unlike BPS there will be costs attached to delivering the options, for example the arable payments at intermediate and advanced level require spatial soil testing and precision application of nutrients both inorganic and organic. Grassland payments require spatial soil testing at the advanced level only.
There is a lot to think about before taking up these schemes but permanent pasture will not be that far behind arable when the costs are taken into account.
Just a note on this action its only on 50% of arable soils at very high risk of run off or regularly flood under the advanced level.
Actions required: convert a proportion of it to permanent grassland
Additional payment on top of the base payment: £311 per hectare
Every farm will be different!
I have been involved with a pilot but am not pushing this either way, just thought some clarity on the numbers might help people.
No this applies on the semi-improved low input land- this land is likely to require an Environmental Assessment if it has a more varied sward. Its hay or haylage on the intermediate and advanced.You can only get enhanced payments on PP if you make hay. If you are a 100% grazing farm you are stuck at first base, £22/ Ha. If I am reading it correctly ? Good to have input to this from someone who has been a pilot .
Agreed. All the more reason it shouldn't be subsidized over any other crop establishment technique.
The DD poster, who says that he will be paid to do what he does anyway, also says that he is meeting with Defra this month to ensure that 'reduced tillage' means DD and DD alone.
No this applies on the semi-improved low input land- this land is likely to require an Environmental Assessment if it has a more varied sward. Its hay or haylage on the intermediate and advanced.
On most farms PP that has had muck, fert, lime in recent years will fall under the improved grassland heading so will have to follow those standards.
Hopefully next month Defra will publish the standards for the pilots that start later this year, then we will know exactly what is required. The good news is that Defra are learning as the pilots develop and are changing the standards to become more practical and achievable on the ground (from my experience).
So it's as we have been discussing; if you have low/ no input PP, that you graze, rather than take a crop off, you get £22/ Ha ?
You are quite right that every farm is different. However, there is a running theme through all of the SFI. Whatever your level of intensity, at this point in time, you are best off increasing your intensity, as ELMS will reward greatest those who de-intensify their grassland management rather than those who farm at a low intensity. If it has had no fert, get some fert on it. If you can hay it, then hay it. If you can plough it, plough it.
There seems to be some misunderstanding of the proposed payment rates for the pilot.
£22/ha is for Low input/semi improved grassland at the basic level, there are two other levels, intermediate at £89/ha and Advanced at £110/ha. This is for land that is receiving very little in the way of inputs.
Much permanent pasture will fall under the improved grassland standard which includes any temporary grass that is likely to remain for 5 years plus. This standard pays £27/ha at basic, £62/ha at Intermediate and £97/ha at Advanced on top of that is grassland soils payment of £6 for basic and intermediate and £8 at advanced.
Note these are NOT cumulative you get paid for the standard you choose only.
Depending on the topography of the farm additional payments are on offer, so if on improved grassland you are a moderate or high risk of run off another £56/ha would be paid.
E.G Improved grassland (inc pp) at the intermediate level could if deemed at risk of run off get £62 +6 + 56/ ha = £124/ha
It works in a similar way on the arable land so at the intermediate level you get £54/ha plus £47/ha for arable soils and if deemed at risk of run off an additional £114/ha for establishing winter cover. = £215/ha.
Its very difficult to say a blanket figure because it is dependent on the individual farm types, soil, slope etc. But unlike BPS there will be costs attached to delivering the options, for example the arable payments at intermediate and advanced level require spatial soil testing and precision application of nutrients both inorganic and organic. Grassland payments require spatial soil testing at the advanced level only.
There is a lot to think about before taking up these schemes but permanent pasture will not be that far behind arable when the costs are taken into account.
Just a note on this action its only on 50% of arable soils at very high risk of run off or regularly flood under the advanced level.
Actions required: convert a proportion of it to permanent grassland
Additional payment on top of the base payment: £311 per hectare
Every farm will be different!
I have been involved with a pilot but am not pushing this either way, just thought some clarity on the numbers might help people.
My overall view is that SFI will support both environmental activity as well as pushing productivity. Parts of the farm will be taken out of production delivering water protection, bird and bee feed, hedgerow management. Other parts will be supported through soil improvement, SOM, better nutrient usage, encouragement of rotational grazing to become more productive and efficient. The use of grant schemes will support the productivity theme, slurry stores, dare I say it direct drills, animal health initiatives etc.
The choice between "park keeper" and efficient farming is not as clear cut as it seems. If it's a tired old ley that needs ploughing get on with it but I don't think doing it in case it attracts payments is sensible, particularly if it is not defined as needing to be re instated under the land management plan so will not attract payments.