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[teslacoils]

Exactly the kind of situation I would have used it.

Would you equate 0.3L of canopy with 1L CCC and 0.1L of moddus?

*If* it had rained then I'd probably put CCC in too. Usually use canopy at 0.4, but I do want rid of it this year and two doses at 0.3 gets the shed cleared!

Think locally everything gets 1lt CCC and 0.1 moddus at t0 and T1. Noone really want more than the bare minimum straw. And you don't pee about with the quantity of N we use for the yields.

In any case, moddus and CCC are stock items here so we can tweek on the day.

 

[robbie]

Still can't find any disease to warrant a TO, everything will be getting a good slug of MN, MG, CU and ZN asap.

Some barley is now showing the early signs of MN deficiency so probably give it a squirt now and hold of T1 for a week or so.

 

[ollie989898]

*If* it had rained then I'd probably put CCC in too. Usually use canopy at 0.4, but I do want rid of it this year and two doses at 0.3 gets the shed cleared!

Think locally everything gets 1lt CCC and 0.1 moddus at t0 and T1. Noone really want more than the bare minimum straw. And you don't pee about with the quantity of N we use for the yields.

In any case, moddus and CCC are stock items here so we can tweek on the day.

I used to do 1L plus 0.1 a lot.

Still got heaps of straw. I was told in college years ago about how PGRs were evil and they made crops only 6 inches tall etc etc etc, so I was a bit surprised to see that in reality, or at least in my experience, they don't really shorten crops that much at all. If you look at the difference between treated and untreated PGR plots the difference isn't 12 inches or anything. In fact, if anything I bet there was just as much straw because the tillers were all more even and probably thicker.

 

[ollie989898]

Still can't find any disease to warrant a TO, everything will be getting a good slug of MN, MG, CU and ZN asap.

Some barley is now showing the early signs of MN deficiency so probably give it a squirt now and hold of T1 for a week or so.

On the kind of land where I knew Mn was always lurking I would do what you are doing, two doses when I was passing through for something else. Other land I would rarely have any issue unless it was cold and wet where crops could end up going purple, in which case I would do a bit of Mn and Phosphate.

 

[Two Tone]

I used to do 1L plus 0.1 a lot.

Still got heaps of straw. I was told in college years ago about how PGRs were evil and they made crops only 6 inches tall etc etc etc, so I was a bit surprised to see that in reality, or at least in my experience, they don't really shorten crops that much at all. If you look at the difference between treated and untreated PGR plots the difference isn't 12 inches or anything. In fact, if anything I bet there was just as much straw because the tillers were all more even and probably thicker.

I’d be interested in your thoughts as to why you want to use 0.1 Modus.
Modus can be very harsh on crops, compared to CCC. And far more expensive too!
I often wonder if realising how cheap CCC is, Syngenta decided to create and sell something far more expensive to screw more money out of us farmers, when CCC was quite adequate in the first place.

 

[Brisel]

Moddus has a different mode of action to chlormequat. It has also halved in price since coming off patent. CCC will not work well in cold weather but trinexpac will.

 

[teslacoils]

Barley used to get 0.2 of moddus and some CCC. That fairly stopped it. I'm not keen on moddus really but I want strong, short straw.

 

[T Hectares]

I’d be interested in your thoughts as to why you want to use 0.1 Modus.
Modus can be very harsh on crops, compared to CCC. And far more expensive too!
I often wonder if realising how cheap CCC is, Syngenta decided to create and sell something far more expensive to screw more money out of us farmers, when CCC was quite adequate in the first place.

I tend to use 2 ltrs of CCC split over T0 & 1
With 0.1 of a off patent Trinexapac at T1 and find I then won’t need Terpal which can be harsh and risky if the weather gets away and boots start to split, and if the crop looks too well after that then Terpal can be fallen back on
0.1 of a non Syngenta Trinexy is around 50 - 60 % of a litre of CCC and 75% of a litre of Terpal and I’ve never had any issues at 0.1, I have at 0.2 though !!
I can’t risk flat crops with the farm littered with Sarsen stones and flints...

 

[teslacoils]

Yeah, haven't used terpal since I stopped growing Clare.

 

[ajd132]

Does Broadway star count as a pgr? Been told of done bs then don’t do a pgr at t0

 

[T Hectares]

Does Broadway star count as a pgr? Been told of done bs then don’t do a pgr at t0

I haven’t used it for a few years but it was always done with CCC
I’m about to use some next week and it’ll be with a litre of CCC
This tank mix guide tells you what not to do though !!

( the blue and red being either physically incompatible or crop damage )

 

[Two Tone]

Absolutely no doubt whatsoever that Atlantis (and such type products) acts as a PGR . Too good a PGR in fact!
I’m so glad I don’t need to use it any more.

BASF did some field trials here a few years ago on a crop of JB Diego and were a bit embarrassed about the results showing that the highest yield by far had absolutely no PGR whatsoever.
However, it was a variety that stood quite well and I’d stopped using any PGR’s on it as a second wheat some time before.

I’m wondering if this cold weather has done a good PGR job for us already. Certainly enough to cut rates and not worry about the fact that it wont get any on the now cancelled T0 here.

When we used to roll autumn/winter sown crops in the Spring, I was convinced it acted as at least a half rate PGR.

 

[teslacoils]

I will be dropping the pgr from the field due to get bws.

 

[Brisel]

Does Broadway star count as a pgr? Been told of done bs then don’t do a pgr at t0

Very much so. Hatra, Monolith,
Pacifica etc too.

 

[teslacoils]

Yeah, Atlantis did the cleavers, blws, and a robust pgr.....but often not the bg.

 

[snarling bee]

Very much so. Hatra, Monolith,
Pacifica etc too.

Don't seem to regulate the growth of blackgrass though!

 

[ollie989898]

I’d be interested in your thoughts as to why you want to use 0.1 Modus.
Modus can be very harsh on crops, compared to CCC. And far more expensive too!
I often wonder if realising how cheap CCC is, Syngenta decided to create and sell something far more expensive to screw more money out of us farmers, when CCC was quite adequate in the first place.

I've read that moddus is harsh on crops a lot on TFF. I was even told it at college as well and by agronomists around at the time. As a result once I was doing recommendations for myself I was very reticent and careful about using it.

I've never seen an issue with at at 0.1. I've even used it at 0.2 before.

I have no doubt it was expensive when it first came out but that wasn't the case back when I was using it. 3C was dirt cheap and 0.1 of moddus lookalike was similar money, too. I've never had a crop of wheat go flat but believe me I had situations where I could see it wanted to try. I reckon the average arable farmer would have a very different crops to the bulk of what I had to look at. How will a bit of herbicide now affect the growth and bulk of the crop in 3 weeks time when it is warm and the roots have sucked up the nitrogen you have applied? It's a bit late to be worrying about straw strength when it is already stood in front of you in my mind so a modest spend on 3C +/- is certainly justifiable.

I wouldn't describe atlantis or broadway as harsh either particularly, yes they slow the crop down but I wouldn't spray a crop that was visibly pished off to begin with.

I'm sure I have done broadway and 3C before.

 

[ollie989898]

Yeah, Atlantis did the cleavers, blws, and a robust pgr.....but often not the bg.

Atlantis used to turn cleavers purple from memory? Lay em out abit but they never seemed too fazed?

 

[Wigeon]

I once had a slightly dribbly nozzle i couldn't see behind the sprayer when spraying atlantis. Killed a complete band of wheat.

 

[robbie]

On the kind of land where I knew Mn was always lurking I would do what you are doing, two doses when I was passing through for something else. Other land I would rarely have any issue unless it was cold and wet where crops could end up going purple, in which case I would do a bit of Mn and Phosphate.

My crops have already had two passes this spring and 2 in the autumn.

Does anyone know why Mn deficiency stop once the plant gets into mid stem extension?