T1's !!

[Woodlander]

Just back from 4 days away and I thought I'd been away for 3 weeks when I saw this! In answer to the OP - undecided, I'll see what happens in the next couple of weeks - but have traditionally used Tracker + CTL + a little extra epoxi if necessary. @Brisel - I don't think 0.75 Tracker will have any affect on eyespot - in my opinion it needs to be at least 1l if there is a lowish risk, up to full rate if there is a high risk. If you haven't seen eyespot for years would you be better dropping the Tracker and going for a robust rate if Adexar instead?

 

[franklin]

So this is my point really are we as British farmers really getting the benefits of high fungicide spends and application rates or are we doing it because a salesman/agronomist has told us that's what we should use? After all anyone who sells these products will have decided months ago what products we will be using, otherwise they can not react or get any products in time if they wait and see how the season unfolds. So who is steering who here?

A bit of being sold to, and a bit of rose-tinted specs saying we should all be doing 12t/ha. UK average yield is about 8.2t/ha. But I am still going to be biased towards high doses of old fungicides, rather than half-rates of new stuff.

 

[franklin]

What used to be the "kitchen sink" of a CTL -> CTL / Opus -> Opus / strob, is now quite reasonably priced.

If we were reaping the benefits of new varieties and fungicides, and grass weeds and rotations are no worse than 10 years ago, why are my yields not going up. Or why do I feel I am doing more to get the same?

 

[Clive]

What used to be the "kitchen sink" of a CTL -> CTL / Opus -> Opus / strob, is now quite reasonably priced.

If we were reaping the benefits of new varieties and fungicides, and grass weeds and rotations are no worse than 10 years ago, why are my yields not going up. Or why do I feel I am doing more to get the same?

because you soil is slowly but surely getting worse, history repeats itself and there is no reason we are any different to past civilizations who farmed their soil to exhaustion, its a slow process so not something that a single generation even really notices

worth a read

http://www.amazon.com/Dirt-Civilizations-David-R-Montgomery/dp/0520248708

 

[Brisel]

Just back from 4 days away and I thought I'd been away for 3 weeks when I saw this! In answer to the OP - undecided, I'll see what happens in the next couple of weeks - but have traditionally used Tracker + CTL + a little extra epoxi if necessary. @Brisel - I don't think 0.75 Tracker will have any affect on eyespot - in my opinion it needs to be at least 1l if there is a lowish risk, up to full rate if there is a high risk. If you haven't seen eyespot for years would you be better dropping the Tracker and going for a robust rate if Adexar instead?

1 litre of Tracker + 1 litre of CTL used to be my standard T1. Varieties are Diego, Santiago & Cubanita, none of which are particularly resistant to eyespot. All are first wheats after osr. Tracker is £22/l & Adexar is around £31/l. With CTL at £2.90/l that's £35/ha at T1.

 

[Xbrandyx]

Anyone using Vertisan at t1 this year?? What's rates are you using with what triazole?

 

[Gong Farmer]

OP - full dose Adexar at T1???!!! Are you growing Riband sown August 15th?

Assume it's a distributor agronomist? If so pose the issue 'But I've heard there is no Adexar around'

Him: 'Oh we've got plenty in stock'

You: 'Gotcha!'

 

[Brisel]

OP - full dose Adexar at T1???!!! Are you growing Riband sown August 15th?

Assume it's a distributor agronomist? If so pose the issue 'But I've heard there is no Adexar around'

Him: 'Oh we've got plenty in stock'

You: 'Gotcha!'

Which distributor has Ceriax (epoxi + fluxaproxad + pyraclostrobin)?

Is 0.75 Tracker enough for low risk eyespot?

 

[MNBVCXZ]

General thoughts/ preference's?

Our agronomist seems to want to chuck kitchen sink at it, t0 was epoxy 0.5/ ctl 1l. T1 epoxy 0.5/ ctl 1l plus full rate adexar then at t2 full rate ceriax!

Thoughts and opinions welcome?

This must be a wind up???

 

[Brisel]

This must be a wind up???

Or a distributor taking the pee out of a TFF member who is about to spit the dummy...

 

[Gong Farmer]

Is 0.75 Tracker enough for low risk eyespot?

Yes

 

[Brisel]

Anyone using Vertisan at t1 this year?? What's rates are you using with what triazole?

Used it last year chasing a delayed T1 & resulting bad septoria outbreak. Not a fair test of it. The crop did 9.5 t/ha despite no leaf 4,3, half of 2 and 15% of the flag gone due to septoria.

Not the best for septoria compared with bixafen & Imtrex but the press seems to be full of the enhanced rooting caused by it.

 

[Xbrandyx]

I have used it for the past 2 years at t1 and crops have always looked good from it

 

[Chalky]

Strongly expecting to use tracker ctl on Cougar. Other vars- all of which are potentially rust prone, and all more septoria prone will have a decision made after 20 something April dependent upon what weather we have had & what they are forecasting. If had some wet & some more forecast, straight in with kitchen sink + bravo. Just starting GS30 spray here today N Lincs by humber.

If the weatherweb forecast of wetter second half of april and into may is what we get-kitchen sink will pay. Have access to what we need either way with T1 & T2 bravo in the spraysheds.

 

[einstein]

General thoughts/ preference's?

Our agronomist seems to want to chuck kitchen sink at it, t0 was epoxy 0.5/ ctl 1l. T1 epoxy 0.5/ ctl 1l plus full rate adexar then at t2 full rate ceriax!

Thoughts and opinions welcome?

depends on variety ?

 

[einstein]

I think that level of product at your T1 is comparable to my planned T1,2 and 3 combined, which in most fields will be all it gets.

Adexar and CTL is illegal here. Tracker is widely used, but mostly from flagleaf-stage. Early sprays is mostly at rust and mildew with later ones almost only septoria.

Is it because you (as in british farmers) have very high levels of fungus pressure or because you have higher yields than us, that it pays to use these levels of fungicides? You must get greater yield-responses than we do to these sprays. I think average wheat yield in DK is about 7,5t/ha. I could be wrong though, as is varies some between regions.

probably mainly cos we have been brainwashed!!

 

[Hampton]

OP - full dose Adexar at T1???!!! Are you growing Riband sown August 15th?

Assume it's a distributor agronomist? If so pose the issue 'But I've heard there is no Adexar around'

Him: 'Oh we've got plenty in stock'

You: 'Gotcha!'

Has someone hijacked your account as if not that is a pretty disgraceful post from someone representing niab tag!!
Sounds like something the soil association would write about conventional farming.
Very poor show!!

I fully appreciate that is a ridiculous T1, it's just a poor brush Stroke accusation.

 

[Hampton]

Anyone using Vertisan at t1 this year?? What's rates are you using with what triazole?

Used 0.6 last year with decent dose of Rubric. Good product.

 

[Hampton]

What used to be the "kitchen sink" of a CTL -> CTL / Opus -> Opus / strob, is now quite reasonably priced.

If we were reaping the benefits of new varieties and fungicides, and grass weeds and rotations are no worse than 10 years ago, why are my yields not going up. Or why do I feel I am doing more to get the same?

What is your fungi spend. I'm still workng on circa £35/ac or less and happy with my yields. I know I'm not doing broad acres walking anymore, just my own 500 arable acres, but I am not seeing the fall off in efficacy that is widely reported. Also I often talk with some of my ex colleagues and they aren't either. Is the pudding being over egged?

 

[franklin]

What is your fungi spend. I'm still workng on circa £35/ac or less and happy with my yields. I know I'm not doing broad acres walking anymore, just my own 500 arable acres, but I am not seeing the fall off in efficacy that is widely reported. Also I often talk with some of my ex colleagues and they aren't either. Is the pudding being over egged?

Widely variable. One block last year was £70.70 for a hectare. I reckon you can do a good 4 spray program based on CTL and epoxi, a dash of strob and some teb for not much over £20/ac.

I dont set a spend - I just throw stuff at it I think it needs. Pudding certainly over egged. But tend towards big dollups of off-patent chem.