People keep saying the reason they voted Brexit was about taking back control of whatever it is that they think they don’t have control of. Can someone tell me, when you have control back and it is firmly in the hands of the idiots in Parliament what do you see them doing with that control. I’m asking for specifics, just so I know when it happens I know it’s a direct result of Brexit.
Taking back control
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farmerm
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I don’t want the anti farming agenda at Whitehall to be given free reign!
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But the specific I’m looking for is why not ?
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I think that there might be a few changes coming in Parliament once we get a chance to vote on who goes back there.
Considering that the last election was primarily held because of Brexit, and the vast majority of the MPs were elected with manifestos stating their backing leaving the EU, what's gone on since has involved pretty unforgivable actions from a lot of them.
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Old McDonald
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How many people have told you that? It must be a lot for you to start a thread about it.
The question on the ballot paper was a very simple one, it merely asked whether the voter did or did not want the UK to remain part of the EU. It did not ask any other question, nor did it suggest there were any conditions attached to the answer which would give those who lost any reason to dispute the result.
I did not want to join in the first place and voted that way. I voted to leave on the second occasion. I no longer have a vote despite being liable to UK income tax. I am quite happy for all and sundry to begin a campaign of rejoining once the second referendum vote has been put into effect. There were gey few arguments afer the first one.
We keep hearing that people are better informed now. They were better informed in 2016 than they were in the original referendum. Another argument about being able to change one's mind as is done with recurring General Elections is quite an acceptable one to me too. The proviso being that the last referendum result is put into effect. After all, the result of a GE is put into effect and then the electorate (which will have changed somewhat) is given another opportunity to vote differently. Unfortunately on this occasion the minority (thoae who lost and are stillbleating about) are trying to prevent the result being put into effect. I believe from your posts that you are one of those who do not want the result to be effected.
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Once the EU has no influence over agriculture the other problem you have is the electorate of the UK is mostly urban/suburban. And as such will likely always return a majority of anti farming MP's.
How many greens have we got here making policy and how many in the eu are doing so? I know which I fear the most
The present parliament is sh!te, I will concede.
However, my farming career since 1985 has been blighted by the EU.
Organic seed rules, which probably cost me £80k, for no benefit to my business, other rules which cost me dear such as perch space and nest box space I could have done without.
Major policy changes every 5 years regarding SFP schemes, have seen me getting £20k one minute, and nothing the next....
Now, I see what your saying, UK governments could be exactly the same, if not worse. Or they could be better. ATM we have the EU, followed by UK Gov, and also WAG. 3 different levels of wasters. I only want one level. The buck then stops with them.
Getting a bit fed up with all these daft cliches TBH.
Taking back control.
The red bus.
Didn't know what we were voting for.
We were mislead.
Remainers are thick.
Remainers are old.
The referendum was non binding.
Over half the population was dissatisfied, and voted leave. This was not a minority of less than 2%, it was OVER HALF THE ELECTORATE. Now let's get on and leave, and stop f**king about.
However, my farming career since 1985 has been blighted by the EU.
Organic seed rules, which probably cost me £80k, for no benefit to my business, other rules which cost me dear such as perch space and nest box space I could have done without.
Major policy changes every 5 years regarding SFP schemes, have seen me getting £20k one minute, and nothing the next....
Now, I see what your saying, UK governments could be exactly the same, if not worse. Or they could be better. ATM we have the EU, followed by UK Gov, and also WAG. 3 different levels of wasters. I only want one level. The buck then stops with them.
Getting a bit fed up with all these daft cliches TBH.
Taking back control.
The red bus.
Didn't know what we were voting for.
We were mislead.
Remainers are thick.
Remainers are old.
The referendum was non binding.
Over half the population was dissatisfied, and voted leave. This was not a minority of less than 2%, it was OVER HALF THE ELECTORATE. Now let's get on and leave, and stop f**king about.
Honest john
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Well good luck. But I think you can safely assume that the 17 million who voted leave did not do it with any intention of giving farmers a better life. They expect you to improve the environment and open up access in return for any future state aid. And if you think any but a handful of MP's are going to go against the wishes of the public, I guess you will be disappointed. You might want to ask yourself why all these bucket loads of rules and regulations that seem to burden UK farmers, often don't exist here in France.
You are quite right,I am one of those that does not want the result to be effected. But as I vote in Geoffrey Cox’s constituency the chances of my vote counting towards my favoured result are non existent. If I had seen a credible plan for the future of the UK other than well we are better out than in i may have been swayed. But I have seen no good argument for leaving. By leaving , the damage will have been done,we can never return with the same favourable terms we have at present. Consequently my wish is that we do not leave but as a remainer I have no control over that. That is down to those in parliament who I think feel more like me than the Brexiters.
ollie989898
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The reality is the majority of us, in truth, only voted leave because we knew it would upset Walter....
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Old McDonald
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Do you think you, or any one else, have any valid authority to overturn the wishes of the majority? Anarchy is a word that comes to mind in relation to those who wish to overthrow democracy. Do you consider yourself an anarchist at present? Would you consider yourself one if you were in a position to overthrow the result of the referendum and did so? Do you consider it democratic for MPs to overturn the referendum result?
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wanton dwarf
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If the referendum had been legal and binding I would have unhappily accepted the result, but it wasn’t. It is not overturning the wishes of the majority it is just not enacting the wishes of the majority. Which is why me and others like me would like a second legally binding referendum just to make sure that now most of the problems of Brexit are known it is still the will of the people to leave. As I stated n my opening post,leaving is not something that the country can come back from so I believe the majority should be 100% sure that is what they want. I really can’t understand the Brexiters reluctance for a second referendum. If they are convinced Brexit is the will of the people it will guarantee we leave ,if it is not the will of the people it will avoid a costly mistake.
This takes me back to my original question. If you are lucky enough to eventually get the politicians you want. What is it you want them to do that they can’t do now.