Teacher sacked for kicking a horse

[Longlowdog]

If the foxes were not dug and destroyed there would be no justification for chasing the pests. Finishing what you've begun is how vermin is controlled. Death above or below ground is the purpose of hunting. I've said it before and I'll say it again foxes have have no idea there are folk enjoying hunting or enjoying their deaths. Foxes are ambush predators given to short bursts of energy to procure prey but are evolved to have stamina to try to evade being preyed upon. Death by hound or hounds is the closest thing a fox gets to a natural death apart from starvation in old age or scratching themselves to death with mange. I've also said it before I've no interest in hunting foxes with hounds because I'm a rifle man (can't stand nags, though my wife loves them and bred them) and my land lends itself to rifle work. If I had 4,000/40,000 acres of rough fell/moor largely inaccessible to anything other than my ewes with their lambs and hounds I would elect another more efficient method of control. Hounds.
There is a lot of associating hunting with toffs and their mounts, far more foxes are controlled by foot packs and not solely for the purpose of protecting mans greed or avarice for sport or farming gain. Hunting in The Lakes served to protect man's interests and also to preserve precious stocks of upland nesting waders. Damning hunting without questioning the gains made by the death of a few for the greater good of many is an act of sentiment not sentience. Damning the acts that other mens' conscience accepts as wholesome because you believe otherwise is egocentric and unwholesome.
We could always take the pleasure aspect away and just poison them with bait dropped by aeroplane...

 

[Foxcover]

If the foxes were not dug and destroyed there would be no justification for chasing the pests. Finishing what you've begun is how vermin is controlled. Death above or below ground is the purpose of hunting. I've said it before and I'll say it again foxes have have no idea there are folk enjoying hunting or enjoying their deaths. Foxes are ambush predators given to short bursts of energy to procure prey but are evolved to have stamina to try to evade being preyed upon. Death by hound or hounds is the closest thing a fox gets to a natural death apart from starvation in old age or scratching themselves to death with mange. I've also said it before I've no interest in hunting foxes with hounds because I'm a rifle man (can't stand nags, though my wife loves them and bred them) and my land lends itself to rifle work. If I had 4,000/40,000 acres of rough fell/moor largely inaccessible to anything other than my ewes with their lambs and hounds I would elect another more efficient method of control. Hounds.
There is a lot of associating hunting with toffs and their mounts, far more foxes are controlled by foot packs and not solely for the purpose of protecting mans greed or avarice for sport or farming gain. Hunting in The Lakes served to protect man's interests and also to preserve precious stocks of upland nesting waders. Damning hunting without questioning the gains made by the death of a few for the greater good of many is an act of sentiment not sentience. Damning the acts that other mens' conscience accepts as wholesome because you believe otherwise is egocentric and unwholesome.
We could always take the pleasure aspect away and just poison them with bait dropped by aeroplane...

So where does fox in the box come into this? Rearing cubs to take with them and release to chase?

 

[Longlowdog]

I've written above, I've been on the inside of many an estates business and known many hunters and keepers and never encountered 'fox in a box' or even heard of it except by anti's. If it was a proven issue it would have been headline news and given the extreme amounts of inspection and critical examination by sabs and activists with cameras it could scarcely have escaped attention but not one shred of creditable evidence has been put forward apart from hearsay by folk who disapprove of hunting. I suspect, I say suspect because I have no personal proof, most of the crazy numbers quoted on high numbers killed hunt days are the result of hunts coinciding with releases by rescue charities.

 

[roscoe erf]

So where does fox in the box come into this? Rearing cubs to take with them and release to chase?

never seen this or heard of it being done

 

[Foxcover]

It must be completely untrue then

 

[Longlowdog]

If it is not proven it is not true, it is urban myth at best and deliberate misinformation at worst. If proven it is shameful. Till that day it is as true as it is lies.

 

[Robt]

I think you can split people living in the country into 3 groups.
The first are getting smaller but they are born and bred Country people who live, work, socialise and have their hobbies and lifestyle in rural activities, not just country sports. They tend to support rural businesses and find urban life as a place they don't feel comfortable.
The largest group are the ones that are semi urban, maybe moved out for the lifestyle or through marriage and don't feel comfortable with everything that goes on but accept that it all happens and don't have a problem with it.
The third group are the ones that move out but don't like the sounds, the smells, the hours farmers work, and especially country sports. We have a particularly nasty one round here, intolerant bigots in the main. They usually end up either moving back into town or being about as welcome as a dog sh1t sandwich in a picnic basket.
Plenty don't fit exactly into any group but would probably place themselves in one of those groups if asked.

What about the ones like me that are born and bread country. Still living some 42 years later only 5 miles from where I was born. I support the local area , support hunting. Support shooting yet get very annoyed at some only some of those that take part in both

 

[Raider112]

What about the ones like me that are born and bread country. Still living some 42 years later only 5 miles from where I was born. I support the local area , support hunting. Support shooting yet get very annoyed at some only some of those that take part in both

You'll be in the first group but as I said plenty don't fit exactly into a group, I am probably very similar to you.

 

[Longlowdog]

I staunchly support country sports of every hue but I'm the biggest critic of those who do wrong. That said there are wrong 'uns in every walk of life from paupers to royalty and I will not damn the good majority in any activity because of the actions of individuals. There are drug abusers, molesters, thieves and otherwise bad folk throughout every corner of the world and every pastime and job. Start damning groups because of individuals and every single one of us is damned because there are some pretty sh1t farmers out there as well whether they let the hunt on or not.

 

[Forkdriver]

It must be completely untrue then

Yes.

 

[Scholsey]

If it is not proven it is not true, it is urban myth at best and deliberate misinformation at worst. If proven it is shameful. Till that day it is as true as it is lies.

it’s true, it happens.

Fox cubs 'fed' to hunting hounds - BBC News

Paul Reece and Julie Elmore admitted two counts of causing unnecessary suffering to a protected animal.

www.bbc.co.uk

Why do you think they had fox cubs?

.

 

[Lofty1984]

One couple don’t make a nation wide problem though

 

[Scholsey]

One couple don’t make a nation wide problem though

One couple who got caught, doesn’t mean they are the only ones doing it.

 

[Foxcover]

One couple don’t make a nation wide problem though

It’s seems that plenty of kennel men have this cruel streak within them though unfortunately.

 

[roscoe erf]

It’s seems that plenty of kennel men have this cruel streak within them though unfortunately.

Where does it seem that then

 

[Foxcover]

Where does it seem that then

Just most of the ones I’ve ever dealt with.

 

[Benj]

I staunchly support country sports of every hue but I'm the biggest critic of those who do wrong. That said there are wrong 'uns in every walk of life from paupers to royalty and I will not damn the good majority in any activity because of the actions of individuals. There are drug abusers, molesters, thieves and otherwise bad folk throughout every corner of the world and every pastime and job. Start damning groups because of individuals and every single one of us is damned because there are some pretty sh1t farmers out there as well whether they let the hunt on or not.

I'm baffled by this - you're clearly a proud, decent man who loves his country and traditions, but can't accept the viewpoint of those who don't consider foxes vermin. These people shouldn't be subjected to the sort of abuse and intimidation that happens every day during the season throughout the country. And yes its widespread, as everyone knows.
I sometimes get to know the foxes that visit my land - they are fascinating intelligent creatures which are way to close in character to my dog for me to ever consider them vermin. One vixen would hunt voles in my chicken field without looking twice at the chickens! I just don't believe they are the threat you make them out to be, and even if they were there is no justification for the persecution that goes on. Yes ..... sentimental tosh, i know

 

[britishblue]

I know somebody who has a pet rat aswell. Intelligent too but it wouldn't stop me trying to kill every rat on my farm!

 

[manhill]

Again, completely agree with most of this. The Guardian is really awful at times and feeds into the anti "left" propaganda machine - definitely as much click bait as the daily mail. George Monbiot has a way of approaching these things which I can see would wind most of you up but I do believe it comes from a good place - he does mean well even if he goes about it the wrong way.
I can't speak for celebrities, and I guess we're all hypocrites to a degree, but I do practice what i preach. The thing is, what I am interested in is moving on from the tired old arguments - I happen to believe for instance that sooner or later we'll all be going back to the type of mixed farming systems that used to be the norm - regenerative systems just make sense when you look at how all the imports are going up in price - yes i know this means more expensive food, but this should be subsidised properly so its available to all.

Subsidised food? Already happening with agricultural support. Do you have another method in mind?

 

[icanshootwell]

I'm baffled by this - you're clearly a proud, decent man who loves his country and traditions, but can't accept the viewpoint of those who don't consider foxes vermin. These people shouldn't be subjected to the sort of abuse and intimidation that happens every day during the season throughout the country. And yes its widespread, as everyone knows.
I sometimes get to know the foxes that visit my land - they are fascinating intelligent creatures which are way to close in character to my dog for me to ever consider them vermin. One vixen would hunt voles in my chicken field without looking twice at the chickens! I just don't believe they are the threat you make them out to be, and even if they were there is no justification for the persecution that goes on. Yes ..... sentimental tosh, i know

One vixen would hunt voles in my chicken field without looking twice at the chickens!

With statements like that, you should get a job at the BBC.