TFF's ELMS Questions time ?

Old Tip

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...and if hundreds of thousands of acres are put down to this.....where's the diversity in that?! Acres and acres of scrubland taken over by weeds, brambles, gorse etc. A habitat for some, but not for others.

All habitats matter.
Exactly, changing one mono crop for another is not the answer, we need more mixed farming
 

steveR

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yes it is - there is a lot planned for the future

i think it’s great they are keen to engage directly with farmers in this way

let’s keep this thread on topic though please with those potential questions you want asking

Very useful thread to assist in answering the DEFRA questionaire that they are wanting response to.

I'll be interested in David Kennedy's responses, as they will shape some of my own responses!!
 

holwellcourtfarm

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I have just completed a DEFRA questionairre around land management plans (as a contributor to the CLA trials). The deadline for comment is tomorrow and it was notified today! What the hell is that timing about?

For interest this is the full list of the current trials giving an indication of the type of organisations running them:

ELMS trials 1.JPG

ELMS trials 2.JPG


Dissapointingly few farmer run trials in that list I suggest.
 

Wombat

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East yorks
If you need any more of a heads up as to who will be receiving the limited funds available you can see them on the list above.

Forget it. These organisations already have their noses well into the trough.

The bigger they are the harder they shove their way in, regardless of how they try and appear
 
The bigger they are the harder they shove their way in, regardless of how they try and appear

They will have legions of ecology degree holders talking the talk for them and MP's/government quangos will be loving it. Throw in a few sentences with appropriate buzzwords and they will be drooling at the mouth. 'Enhanced public goods provided by increased ecological awareness and sympathetic management of habitat', all of which is lingo for 'doing fudge all and pocketing the cash'.
 

DanniAgro

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Hmm, just watched the David Kennedy interview. He says very little at the end of the day, and the only sign I could see about support for farming was his prpomise that the funds currently being spent on Tier 1 would be dished up for ELMS during the life of this parliament. It was vaguely reassuring overall, but I hope that, as he suggested, lessons have been learnt about the Byzantine complexities that put everyone off the current environmental schemes, so that the vast majority of farmers can get on board come 2024.
 

steveR

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Mixed Farmer
Hmm, just watched the David Kennedy interview. He says very little at the end of the day, and the only sign I could see about support for farming was his prpomise that the funds currently being spent on Tier 1 would be dished up for ELMS during the life of this parliament. It was vaguely reassuring overall, but I hope that, as he suggested, lessons have been learnt about the Byzantine complexities that put everyone off the current environmental schemes, so that the vast majority of farmers can get on board come 2024.

"Vaguely reassuring" is about as far as I would go... Support for farming is secondary to the DEFRA mindset which now has very little to do with food production or maintaining a rural economy.

Come the Autumn, we'll know more as Options start to become clear...
 
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Goweresque

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North Wilts
They will have legions of ecology degree holders talking the talk for them and MP's/government quangos will be loving it. Throw in a few sentences with appropriate buzzwords and they will be drooling at the mouth. 'Enhanced public goods provided by increased ecological awareness and sympathetic management of habitat', all of which is lingo for 'doing fudge all and pocketing the cash'.

I concur. The charities, quangos and other State bodies will hoover up the lions share of the ELMS money. They'll create bodies whose aims will be to 'work towards rewilding' or 'assist stakeholders in improving the shared environment', all the usual b*ll*cks, and ELMS money will pay for all their salaries. Nothing much will get done on the ground, but lots of middle class graduates will get nice salaries and big fat pensions out of it.
 

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