The Brexit Negotiations

[Hindsight]

Niab have lost a contract to do work on oranamentals despite the fact that we havent left yet and more importantly are the only people doing such work in the whole EU and capable of doing so, talk about cutting of your nose to spite your face, the seed companies are upin arms about it. Some club more a bunch of spoilt brats,jusy trying to punish us, stuff em,lets just leave and go WTO rules and get on with it

Yes, I suspect NIAB has been the recipient of a little bit of pre-emptive 'tit for tat' just to show David Davis what could happen. Can imagine Barnier sending a few more of those 'messages' as we move on with the negotiations. Hey ho there you go.

 

[fudge]

the max tariff on cars is only 10% so its still cheaper to make them here due to the currency drop

Cheaper than China?

 

[RobFZS]

Yes, I concur that with most things it is world / regional standards that are most important precursor - in general countries elect to adopt regulations to enshrine standards that are set by industries - sometimes this is led initially by regulation. One of the reasons I am always slightly perplexed by the comment regs and rules will be burnt / removed / reduced. Also why I appreciate the leave position that providing UK follows world / regional standards companies base din UK can still trade into markets - EU or world.

But lets hope the politicians do not make a mess of what is a straightforward deal just because they grandstand. I do find the portrayal of David Davis on Dead Ringers amusing - although think it does do him an injustice. Hey ho.

We could be out right now, while remaining in the single market and working on the issue of FOM, while under the jurisdiction of the EFTA court, but they're farting about with this idea of some great FTA that will cover all bases, all the will in the world won't make the eu organise any trade deal fast , it's part of the reason we're leaving , what i don't like is remainers using the latter as an avenue to park for later Eu entry and that's why may etc are soo admitant on hard brexit.

never listen to Dr so dunno how they portray him D;

 

[Hindsight]

No we are not going to be like NK. But the reason these negotiations are a shambles is clear, neither Cameron or the brexiteers had a workable plan for a leave vote. "Having your cake and eating it" was only ever going to be one of Bojo's fantasies.

Most important thing is to keep Johnson away from anything remotely important. He should be cleaning the toilets in Westminster. David Davis has in my view always come over as a sensible cove - even if I do not always agree with him.

 

[rob1]

Yes, I suspect NIAB has been the recipient of a little bit of pre-emptive 'tit for tat' just to show David Davis what could happen. Can imagine Barnier sending a few more of those 'messages' as we move on with the negotiations. Hey ho there you go.

Perhaps they ought to look back at history to see how the UK responds to bullies wherever in the world they come from,oh for Mrs T she would have put them right

 

[rob1]

Cheaper than China?

Not sure many would go there, a few firms are already have brought manufacturing back due quality issues

 

[Hindsight]

Not sure many would go there, a few firms are already have brought manufacturing back due quality issues

A potentially bigger issue with China is future instability - as eventually USA and China will have to come to terms with the issue of North Korea. NK is a client state of China - NK is developing weapons that could strike USA. This is turning into the modern day version of the Cuban crisis. So at some stage in the not to distant future USA and China will face off. One hopes like the Cuban crisis sense will emerge and another rather amusing Peter Sellers type film about the new Dr Strangelove is produced. One hopes. Donald Trump riding a ICBM!!

 

[fudge]

Er I'm not sure the eu will be able to cope post apocalypse. Vote Trump.

 

[Pasty]

Britain needs to get on to this electric car boom and the associated side lines and regulations before the Eu does it's usual and get it's grubby mits on it and costs us a fortune

Would be nice if we could get a Tesla factory going here. We just wouldn't have the space for battery factories but we are good at screwing cars together.

 

[Ashtree]

Brexit fans on this thread all fawning about electric cars .
Scroll back a little while in a mixture of other threads and the same people peeing with quite some gusto on this "climate change bollox stuff"

 

[Muck Spreader]

Would be nice if we could get a Tesla factory going here. We just wouldn't have the space for battery factories but we are good at screwing cars together.

Tesla can't remotely supply cars for the orders already placed for the Model 3 in North America.

 

[Pasty]

Brexit fans on this thread all fawning about electric cars .
Scroll back a little while in a mixture of other threads and the same people peeing with quite some gusto on this "climate change bollox stuff"

I don't think I have ever mentioned climate change or my views on it. Electric cars come down to simple economics. That is, oil is dead, solar and other techs are rising. Common sense and if anyone can't see it happening, more fool them. Interesting that you still place all Leave voters in the knuckle dragger camp and are able to sum up their views on everything. That's just prejudice and you let yourself down constantly with your weakness for it.

The more we seem to be heading for your 'hard' Brexit, the more wild and lurid your accusations become. Amusing really. I assume you are not yet old enough to understand that votes will not always go the way you want and that there is more to be gained by quickly accepting the democratic result and moving forwards than constantly demonising the people you disagree with and wishing for the sky to fall in so you can be proved right.

 

[Pasty]

Tesla can't remotely supply cars for the orders already placed for the Model 3 in North America.

I know but why are VW / Audi, Merc and BMW not looking at that fact and thinking 'holy crap, this is real'? Because they are stuck on the past. Same as the EU. Scared of WW3, forgetting that it was them buggers who started WW1 and WW2.

Let them go. VWs are just unreliable heaps of crap and Mercs are about good enough for taxis these days. The future is not in the German car industry at the moment. They are lost and we need to let them go.

 

[Muck Spreader]

Yes, I concur that with most things it is world / regional standards that are most important precursor - in general countries elect to adopt regulations to enshrine standards that are set by industries - sometimes this is led initially by regulation. One of the reasons I am always slightly perplexed by the comment regs and rules will be burnt / removed / reduced. Also why I appreciate the leave position that providing UK follows world / regional standards companies base din UK can still trade into markets - EU or world.

But lets hope the politicians do not make a mess of what is a straightforward deal just because they grandstand. I do find the portrayal of David Davis on Dead Ringers amusing - although think it does do him an injustice. Hey ho.

I have to admit when David Davis "Brexit Bulldog and master negotiator" comes on it does crack me up. But as you say probably does him an injustice, as I have him down as at least a realist.

 

[Muck Spreader]

I know but why are VW / Audi, Merc and BMW not looking at that fact and thinking 'holy crap, this is real'? Because they are stuck on the past. Same as the EU. Scared of WW3, forgetting that it was them buggers who started WW1 and WW2.

Let them go. VWs are just unreliable heaps of crap and Mercs are about good enough for taxis these days. The future is not in the German car industry at the moment. They are lost and we need to let them go.

They all are producing electric cars and hybrid cars and are world leaders in the technology. Stuck in the past is constantly going on about WW1 & 2.

 

[Pasty]

They all are producing electric cars and hybrid cars and are world leaders in the technology. Stuck in the past is constantly going on about WW1 & 2.

Their efforts so far are poor. At least 2 years behind the game which is odd as Merc obviously invests a lot in F1. The electric game is moving fast and they need to get on board and fully invested. I did say they had the capability. It's the will that is important.

Audi have just bought into Formula E as a factory team so that is promising but how does this fit with their road car portfolio? It makes it look way out of date.

Can you believe that VW / Audi, a global company has been caught fiddling emissions tests, well into the 21st century? Pathetic. My point is that they are not leading, they are following and currently at some distance. It all smacks of bureaucracy and out of date thinking. A bit like British Leyland you might say.

 

[baabaa]

it wasnt just using their tech to circumvent the the rules, its their hypocritical holier than thou attitude

 

[baabaa]

very bad turd technique

 

[Pasty]

I predict the Audi Princess. Followed by the Audi Ambassador (you are spoiling us).

Meanwhile the Model 3 is the car ever f**ker in the world wants to buy.

Keep up Jerry. The EU is depending on you.

 

[Muck Spreader]

Their efforts so far are poor. At least 2 years behind the game which is odd as Merc obviously invests a lot in F1. The electric game is moving fast and they need to get on board and fully invested. I did say they had the capability. It's the will that is important.

Audi have just bought into Formula E as a factory team so that is promising but how does this fit with their road car portfolio? It makes it look way out of date.

Can you believe that VW / Audi, a global company has been caught fiddling emissions tests, well into the 21st century? Pathetic. My point is that they are not leading, they are following and currently at some distance. It all smacks of bureaucracy and out of date thinking. A bit like British Leyland you might say.

The current Auto Express list of the 10 best electric cars only three are of non European origin.
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/best-cars/86169/best-electric-cars-on-sale-2017

Anyway our last major car producer Morgan now has an electric offering for us the EV3 (£53k)