The "I`ve got it" thread...

[Highland Mule]

Waist measurement is a better measure of obesity than BMI.
There are also electric impedance measures

But I’m betting that they don’t use those to come up with the statistics quoted above.

So, how do we fix the nation’s health then? Mental, physical and all such things. How do we “fix the narrative”?

 

[Chopsy Varmint]

Waist measurement is a better measure of obesity than BMI.
There are also electric impedance measures

Everyone should keep a piece of string as long as their height. If when folded in half it doesn't meet around their waist they're fat; if it overlaps or touches comfortably they're fine. No need for scales and being scared of how big the numbers are as an excuse for not facing up to it.

 

[essex man]

We eat too much because our stomachs evolved to a size where we could eat enough for a day or two when food was available.
This was to cope with sporadic availability of food.

Now we are saddled with the same evolutionary impulses and constant food availability.

Plus a meal structure based around manual labour that virtually no one does.

Education plus incentives would be a good plan I guess.

 

[essex man]

Anyway latest figures....
1500 people sadly died today

 

[Chopsy Varmint]

But I’m betting that they don’t use those to come up with the statistics quoted above.

So, how do we fix the nation’s health then? Mental, physical and all such things. How do we “fix the narrative”?

I've been thinking about this for quite a while now...

Making being fat as socially frowned up as not using a child seat in a car, or drink-driving, or blowing smoke into someone's face would be a start.

Not pandering to the 'I'm just big boned' bollox.

Smaller plates - my 'daily use' dinner service is from 1910 and the dinner plate is only a little larger than a modern side plate.

Smaller servings in pubs and restaurants with a surcharge for seconds. No doggy bags either.

20% sugar tax plus VAT on processed food whilst maintaining 0% VAT on basic ingredients.

Limit the number of takeaways and off-licences according to local population size. Shut takeaways by 8pm.

A reward card scheme for attendance at the gym/exercise classes - like the old greenshield stamps, for things not food.

Education - proper 'how to cook tv' and not the cake-baking contests. Before 'Bake Off' a cupcake was a little individual sponge cake with a blob of buttercream or icing. Now cupcakes are big chunks of sponge with towering buttercream and sugary accoutrements taller than the cake itself.

Go back to proper women's clothes sizes from 50 years ago. Today's smug size 10 woman would be a 1950s size 14 and fatter than Marilyn Monroe.

Got to be within a normal weight/height ratio for free NHS treatment, otherwise you pay a proportion of the cost of your treatment.

On the back of lockdowns ending and being allowed outside again reinvent and encourage the 1930s 'physical culture' movement (without the Third Reich politics).

Get kids outside - something like community sport schemes supported by top-class footballers.

Teach kids (and sadly their parents) where their food comes from. I have said before I think farmers are missing a trick to engage with their customers now more people are getting out into the countryside. As a start, how hard would it be to stick a laminated notice on a post alongside the footpath telling people what's growing in the field and what it will become.

Reward scheme towards tertiary education for kids' membership of youth organisations like the Scout and Guide movements or the Duke of Edinburgh scheme.

And if all else fails, bring back rationing!

 

[Lowland1]

I've been thinking about this for quite a while now...

Making being fat as socially frowned up as not using a child seat in a car, or drink-driving, or blowing smoke into someone's face would be a start.

Not pandering to the 'I'm just big boned' bollox.

Smaller plates - my 'daily use' dinner service is from 1910 and the dinner plate is only a little larger than a modern side plate.

Smaller servings in pubs and restaurants with a surcharge for seconds. No doggy bags either.

20% sugar tax plus VAT on processed food whilst maintaining 0% VAT on basic ingredients.

Limit the number of takeaways and off-licences according to local population size. Shut takeaways by 8pm.

A reward card scheme for attendance at the gym/exercise classes - like the old greenshield stamps, for things not food.

Education - proper 'how to cook tv' and not the cake-baking contests. Before 'Bake Off' a cupcake was a little individual sponge cake with a blob of buttercream or icing. Now cupcakes are big chunks of sponge with towering buttercream and sugary accoutrements taller than the cake itself.

Go back to proper women's clothes sizes from 50 years ago. Today's smug size 10 woman would be a 1950s size 14 and fatter than Marilyn Monroe.

Got to be within a normal weight/height ratio for free NHS treatment, otherwise you pay a proportion of the cost of your treatment.

On the back of lockdowns ending and being allowed outside again reinvent and encourage the 1930s 'physical culture' movement (without the Third Reich politics).

Get kids outside - something like community sport schemes supported by top-class footballers.

Teach kids (and sadly their parents) where their food comes from. I have said before I think farmers are missing a trick to engage with their customers now more people are getting out into the countryside. As a start, how hard would it be to stick a laminated notice on a post alongside the footpath telling people what's growing in the field and what it will become.

Reward scheme towards tertiary education for kids' membership of youth organisations like the Scout and Guide movements or the Duke of Edinburgh scheme.

And if all else fails, bring back rationing!

I agree with everything I just can’t see people going for it.

 

[Chopsy Varmint]

I agree with everything I just can’t see people going for it.

Me neither to be honest but who'd have thought a year ago people would have been compliant and tolerated lockdowns for so long, snitching on their neighbours, watching their local pubs and high streets slowly dying, unable to access routine dental and medical care?

It may be blue sky thinking, chucking random ideas about, but we have to start somewhere. When kids are being legally removed from their families for parental neglect leading to obesity we really are circling the drain.

This article is from ten years ago and nothing has changed for the better since then as far as I can tell.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-be-taken-away-from-their-parents-898972.html

Bigger sticks required?

And don't forget we're sleepwalking into antibiotic resistance which may well sort out the fat issue. Even a type 2 diabetic ingrown toenail infection could turn into a septic killer, let alone bariatric surgery.

 

[Hindsight]

Me neither to be honest but who'd have thought a year ago people would have been compliant and tolerated lockdowns for so long, snitching on their neighbours, watching their local pubs and high streets slowly dying, unable to access routine dental and medical care?

It may be blue sky thinking, chucking random ideas about, but we have to start somewhere. When kids are being legally removed from their families for parental neglect leading to obesity we really are circling the drain.

This article is from ten years ago and nothing has changed for the better since then as far as I can tell.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-be-taken-away-from-their-parents-898972.html

Bigger sticks required?

And don't forget we're sleepwalking into antibiotic resistance which may well sort out the fat issue. Even a type 2 diabetic ingrown toenail infection could turn into a septic killer, let alone bariatric surgery.

There are 8 billion homo sapiens. The planet will not miss a few billion.

 

[Lowland1]

Me neither to be honest but who'd have thought a year ago people would have been compliant and tolerated lockdowns for so long, snitching on their neighbours, watching their local pubs and high streets slowly dying, unable to access routine dental and medical care?

It may be blue sky thinking, chucking random ideas about, but we have to start somewhere. When kids are being legally removed from their families for parental neglect leading to obesity we really are circling the drain.

This article is from ten years ago and nothing has changed for the better since then as far as I can tell.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-be-taken-away-from-their-parents-898972.html

Bigger sticks required?

And don't forget we're sleepwalking into antibiotic resistance which may well sort out the fat issue. Even a type 2 diabetic ingrown toenail infection could turn into a septic killer, let alone bariatric surgery.

Lockdown is basically cowardice in the form of fake social responsibility.

 

[Chopsy Varmint]

There are 8 billion homo sapiens. The planet will not miss a few billion.

Agreed, very much so. I saw quoted the other day that globally around 2.5 million people have died from/with covid19 in the past year but during that time a further 92 million were born.

But the same argument for preventing the NHS from being overwhelmed by covid patients also holds for the pressure applied by fat people seeking treatment for avoidable health conditions. At what point do we cut people loose and say they have to maintain a healthy weight to access NHS services?

Maybe we're looking at this from the wrong end and it's NHS reform that's required, but how? An insurance-based healthcare system as in the US?

 

[Lowland1]

Agreed, very much so. I saw quoted the other day that globally around 2.5 million people have died from/with covid19 in the past year but during that time a further 92 million were born.

But the same argument for preventing the NHS from being overwhelmed by covid patients also holds for the pressure applied by fat people seeking treatment for avoidable health conditions. At what point do we cut people loose and say they have to maintain a healthy weight to access NHS services?

Maybe we're looking at this from the wrong end and it's NHS reform that's required, but how? An insurance-based healthcare system as in the US?

The NHS is unsustainable in this day and age with an aging unhealthy population the problem is no one wants to tell the Emperor he isn’t wearing any clothes.

 

[Chopsy Varmint]

The NHS is unsustainable in this day and age with an aging unhealthy population the problem is no one wants to tell the Emperor he isn’t wearing any clothes.

Yep, and what's the solution?

Harsher triage according to capacity? Stop treating old age illnesses other than palliatively? No cancer treatment for people over 70?

Or make people pay for their treatment, even if not the whole amount. £40 for a GP consultation, same as the vets maybe...

Unfortunately the calibre of people we need in government to sort it out would never stand for parliament.

 

[Lowland1]

Yep, and what's the solution?

Harsher triage according to capacity? Stop treating old age illnesses other than palliatively? No cancer treatment for people over 70?

Or make people pay for their treatment, even if not the whole amount. £40 for a GP consultation, same as the vets maybe...

Unfortunately the sort of people we need in government to sort it out would never stand for parliament.
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The problem is no one will have the courage to put that forward.

 

[Chopsy Varmint]

The problem is no one will have the courage to put that forward.

And even if someone did it would never get voted through parliament.

 

[Charlie Gill]

And even if someone did it would never get voted through parliament.

Good! You can't have an age cut-off for treatment, that's just mental. Imagine going in on your 70th birthday and being told the computer says no!

On a serious note, obesity is not particularly high up on the covid league table, so I'm not sure the fascination with it is warranted.

Ethnicity charts - see title

 

[Farm buy]

Agreed, very much so. I saw quoted the other day that globally around 2.5 million people have died from/with covid19 in the past year but during that time a further 92 million were born.

But the same argument for preventing the NHS from being overwhelmed by covid patients also holds for the pressure applied by fat people seeking treatment for avoidable health conditions. At what point do we cut people loose and say they have to maintain a healthy weight to access NHS services?

Maybe we're looking at this from the wrong end and it's NHS reform that's required, but how? An insurance-based healthcare system as in the US?

92 million births from covid , Has been some good after all.

 

[Lowland1]

Good! You can't have an age cut-off for treatment, that's just mental. Imagine going in on your 70th birthday and being told the computer says no!

On a serious note, obesity is not particularly high up on the covid league table, so I'm not sure the fascination with it is warranted.

Ethnicity charts - see title

Adult Obesity

Causes and consequences of this complex health issue.

www.cdc.gov

It has a lot to do with many other conditions.it’s very hard to escape the consequences of being obese. Unfortunately when 25% of the population is at risk a bit more attention should be paid. Unfortunately people don’t want to admit they can do something about it.

 

[Charlie Gill]

Adult Obesity

Causes and consequences of this complex health issue.

www.cdc.gov

It has a lot to do with many other conditions.

I understand that.

 

[arcobob]

you'd think they’d all be healthy veg eaters in Grantham

Was MT`s family greengrocers or just grocers?

 

[arcobob]

I had the choice òf going to school in either Grantham or Stamford but chose Grantham ( a mistake in hindsight as I will never be properly posh ha.ha) however I made sure my kids never had to suffer like me and they went to school in Rutland.

Oakham or Uppingham?