The NI/ROI Protocol

JimAndy

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Mixed Farmer
Change what a flag, removal of church from school structures there is already a majority for these
and yet they kept the church hand in the pot when they announced the new irish maternity hospital, WHY. it does not send a good signal that the church and state are separating.

it not just separating church and state, you would need to take a leaf out of the "norths" book and make work places a neutral work space ie no religious/political symbols

the flag not personal a issue for me i can see were it coming from the orange and the green, how ever for many every time they see it, it reminds them of every ira/inla member that died and had it draped over there coffin. or every time they came on TV to take "responsible" for some atrocities it was there in the background.
it also say that we are two people not one. in this new ireland a flag that says we are "one" people. different but the same would be nice

See not impossible have a conversation, but everything needs to be on the table troubles, sectarianism, civil right abuses, flags, and future.

100% right, talk is good and your right everything need to be on the table

including what went on in the RoI. what the RoI government did. What help they give the IRA, and what help they got from other bodies with in Ireland.

at the moment it just seems to be about what the British did. yes the North has a dark and dirty past. but so has the south
 

Ashtree

Member
Change what a flag, removal of church from school structures there is already a majority for these

See not impossible have a conversation, but everything needs to be on the table troubles, sectarianism, civil right abuses, flags, and future.
Endless, endless, whataboutery…..
 
True, but most polls still suggests at least 2/3rds of people in NI wish to remain in the United Kingdom. While the ROI still has to have the conversation what a "new" Ireland actually is.
Why does that have to be decided by the British or the Irish?

The SNP didn't define what an independent Scotland was going to be pre referendum, and Nige/Boris and Co didn't know what a Brexit Britain was going to be like either, I don't think they know yet and we voted to leave 6 years ago.
 
the flag not personal a issue for me i can see were it coming from the orange and the green, how ever for many every time they see it, it reminds them of every ira/inla member that died and had it draped over there coffin. or every time they came on TV to take "responsible" for some atrocities it was there in the background.
it also say that we are two people not one. in this new ireland a flag that says we are "one" people. different but the same would be nice
The rest of your post I agree with, a church has no place in running a country.
But that won't matter, as I'd guess within a generation they will be pretty much non existant.

But on the flag, why should a nations flag change because of people's inability to comprehend what it represents
Just because some ignorant souls choose to get offended doesn't mean something is offensive.

I do get how some may not be happy with the anthem, but I've known some pretty staunch unionists have been prepared to play a rugby game that was kicked off after they stood for that particular set of lyrics.
 

Farm buy

Member
Livestock Farmer
I haven't heard or seen anything to convince me that a united Ireland would be better for the people of NI.


How about this headline from Politico

Northern Ireland economy outpacing post-Brexit Britain​


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How about this headline from Politico

Northern Ireland economy outpacing post-Brexit Britain​


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I've suggested that on several occasions, trading with the UK and ROI has to have its advantages.
Few others have this opportunity, but many choose to believe that NI is the only place that supplies are restricted to, but that just suits the cause, and of course, pandemic, what pandemic!
 

JimAndy

Member
Mixed Farmer
The rest of your post I agree with, a church has no place in running a country.
But that won't matter, as I'd guess within a generation they will be pretty much non existant.

the church has not survived 2000 year for no reason. yes it numbers attending have fallen but the church will still be around for many 100 of years yet, wielding power.

But on the flag, why should a nations flag change because of people's inability to comprehend what it represents
Just because some ignorant souls choose to get offended doesn't mean something is offensive.

for the same reason many in the south do not like to see the union jack, so much so we can't fly from public building except for a few days a year. it what it resents and for many family's that is the death of their loved one.
think how a family would feel when they didn't have enough of their loved one body to give a proper funeral as it was blew to pieces by a IRA bomb, then to see said bomber who had lived free in the south be buried with his coffin draped in the RoI flag and the roi flag flying in the background
I do get how some may not be happy with the anthem, but I've known some pretty staunch unionists have been prepared to play a rugby game that was kicked off after they stood for that particular set of lyrics.

and i read that many hum god save the queen when the soldiers song is be played. personal i feel only 'Ireland call' should be play at all games as it is a ALL ireland team The Soldier's Song only represents part of the team
 
Wasn't Brexit about taking back control and having a border, now you say you want neither, have you changed your mind?

I don't know what gave you that idea. Are you saying illegal migrants first cross to Ireland and then enter the UK that way? Come off it Stewart.

I take the view that there are historical and cultural tensions in Northern Ireland, and the EU would do well to steer clear of it. What border arrangements the two parties want is solely up to them. As a person living in England, it is of no concern to me. As I understand it, both sides freely travel over what is now just some signs and a line on a map. The EU are deliberately being obstinate over this issue when in reality, no issue exists. It's not like someone is going to smuggle British pork into Ireland and then try to sell it into the EU on the cheap. The have stoked this issue from day 1. They should just drop it.
 
the church has not survived 2000 year for no reason. yes it numbers attending have fallen but the church will still be around for many 100 of years yet, wielding power.
I'm not so sure, in my lifetime I've seen it go from a faith to an exception.

for the same reason many in the south do not like to see the union jack, so much so we can't fly from public building except for a few days a year. it what it resents and for many family's that is the death of their loved one.
think how a family would feel when they didn't have enough of their loved one body to give a proper funeral as it was blew to pieces by a IRA bomb, then to see said bomber who had lived free in the south be buried with his coffin draped in the RoI flag and the roi flag flying in the background
I don't disagree, we've all seen various flags on terrorist coffins, I'm proud to say I've never bought or flown a flag in my life, but I'm guessing you can buy one for a fiver, so any idiot can buy one and do as they wish thereafter.

Again the blunt dumb ignorance is not limited to any particular persuasion, many want to be seen as a victim to suit their own agenda.
 

robs1

Member
I don't know what gave you that idea. Are you saying illegal migrants first cross to Ireland and then enter the UK that way? Come off it Stewart.

I take the view that there are historical and cultural tensions in Northern Ireland, and the EU would do well to steer clear of it. What border arrangements the two parties want is solely up to them. As a person living in England, it is of no concern to me. As I understand it, both sides freely travel over what is now just some signs and a line on a map. The EU are deliberately being obstinate over this issue when in reality, no issue exists. It's not like someone is going to smuggle British pork into Ireland and then try to sell it into the EU on the cheap. The have stoked this issue from day 1. They should just drop it.
Why cant food products etc not have a "not to be sold on the eu" sticker on them for those sent to ni to avoid the nonsense that is happening currently, or is that just too simple for idiot politicians? Multi packs have not to be sold separately on them and that works ok, if peace is the objective it cant be that hard for grown ups to solve the problem
 
Why cant food products etc not have a "not to be sold on the eu" sticker on them for those sent to ni to avoid the nonsense that is happening currently, or is that just too simple for idiot politicians? Multi packs have not to be sold separately on them and that works ok, if peace is the objective it cant be that hard for grown ups to solve the problem

The reality is that I can't see there is any way in hell someone is going to produce something on the mainland and then ship it to Northern Ireland (by road and on a ferry no less) with the sole intent of taking it across the border with the intention of then reshipping it within the EU for nefarious purposes. I mean seriously?

It is the EU agitating the situation for no reason other than because they can. They don't like the fact the UK voted leave, they just want an excuse to agitate and itch and they are doing so in a way that directly threatens to inflame tensions in an area that needs to be left well alone. People travel from Northern Ireland to Ireland and vice versa freely to live, work and do business on both sides of the border today in a way which brings economic and societal benefit to both sides and anyone here would surely agree that that is a very good thing. I would be willing to bet that economic activity between the UK mainland and Ireland has also boomed in recent decades as I know many people from the UK now travel to Ireland on holiday or may even own a holiday or second home there. All I can say is long may this continue. It would be helpful if both governments told the EU to pull their claws in and mind their own business.
 
The reality is that I can't see there is any way in hell someone is going to produce something on the mainland and then ship it to Northern Ireland (by road and on a ferry no less) with the sole intent of taking it across the border with the intention of then reshipping it within the EU for nefarious purposes. I mean seriously?

It is the EU agitating the situation for no reason other than because they can. They don't like the fact the UK voted leave, they just want an excuse to agitate and itch and they are doing so in a way that directly threatens to inflame tensions in an area that needs to be left well alone. People travel from Northern Ireland to Ireland and vice versa freely to live, work and do business on both sides of the border today in a way which brings economic and societal benefit to both sides and anyone here would surely agree that that is a very good thing. I would be willing to bet that economic activity between the UK mainland and Ireland has also boomed in recent decades as I know many people from the UK now travel to Ireland on holiday or may even own a holiday or second home there. All I can say is long may this continue. It would be helpful if both governments told the EU to pull their claws in and mind their own business.
But who gave the EU that power?
Aren't we supposed to be in control?
 
But who gave the EU that power?
Aren't we supposed to be in control?

Ireland is a sovereign state, how is the UK supposed to have any control over it? They are trading partners, simple as that. As I said, whatever border arrangements NI/Ireland want is up to the respective people's/governments involved. I would suggest that the present circumstances suit all parties. Except the EU who want to itch at it. They should be told to fudge off, quite frankly. All those Europhiles gave the EU this power. It was originally a trading bloc that most people felt was a great idea. Now it appears to be some kind of mutated version of the USSR.
 
Ireland is a sovereign state, how is the UK supposed to have any control over it? They are trading partners, simple as that. As I said, whatever border arrangements NI/Ireland want is up to the respective people's/governments involved. I would suggest that the present circumstances suit all parties. Except the EU who want to itch at it. They should be told to fudge off, quite frankly. All those Europhiles gave the EU this power. It was originally a trading bloc that most people felt was a great idea. Now it appears to be some kind of mutated version of the USSR.
I mean control over what the UK does, why do we even care about what the EU want, let alone allow them to dictate how we run our country.
I find it odd
 

Ashtree

Member
EU have put a comprehensive set of proposals on the table to sort out the technical issues of UK/NI trading. They have also said they can go further.
The problem is UK government haven‘t sat down to negotiate all the details. Why? Because NI and the protocol is a perfect political football to distract the media from the Boris / Tory shitfest…. simple as that.
 

le bon paysan

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Limousin, France
Why cant food products etc not have a "not to be sold on the eu" sticker on them for those sent to ni to avoid the nonsense that is happening currently, or is that just too simple for idiot politicians? Multi packs have not to be sold separately on them and that works ok, if peace is the objective it cant be that hard for grown ups to solve the problem
EU proposed union jack packaging but got turned down!
Wonder why?
 

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The Health and Safety Executive for Northern Ireland (HSENI) alongside the Farm Safety Partnership (FSP), has named new farm safety champions and commended the outstanding work on farm safety that has been carried out in the farming community in the last 20 years.

Two of these champions are Malcom Downey, retired principal inspector for the Agri/Food team in HSENI and Harry Sinclair, current chair of the Farm Safety Partnership and former president of the Ulster Farmers’ Union (UFU).

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