The Red Tractor ACCS referendum

[texelburger]

I'd like to see an individual retailer having their own scheme and imposing it on cereal producers. Unless growers were to have a contract to grow for one producer I cannot see how this could or would happen. The wheat I grow all goes in one big heap, and over the course of the year ends up in many different products, made by many different manufacturers, which ends up on many different supermarket shelves, in the catering industry, and who knows where else. Good luck to Tesco telling me I need x, y, or z to supply them. I'll just sell it to someone else instead who will use it to make bread rolls for the catering trade (which could end up in The Ritz or Claridges for all I know). That's how markets work.

I agree,individual retailers should have their own schemes.I've done one for Marks and Spencers and also for Sainsburys and both cost nothing in monetary terms.Quite happy to do so.Why do I need an independent company to charge me for something similar,it doesn't make sense all this unnecessary duplication.
Then this independent company, thinking they have cornered the market,ramp up regulations and gold plate everything to justify themselves.

 

[Grass And Grain]

Yes I was a bit suprised RT are disapointed we have questioned them!!

what do they expect?

After all farmers are majority funders of RT (50% direct and a further 5% via AHBD) so we should have every right to question how our money is been spent.

I would think RT will be even more disappointed to learn that farmers will continue to pile pressure on and question there every move until they start providing us a return on our not inconsiderable investment in RT over the last 20 years!

Shall we question their new TV add. "Traceability from field to fork".

I ain't a clue which wheat from which field gets tipped into a lorry. It's all in one bulk heap. I've never been asked for a field reference on the passport.

Then there's the 90 day beef residency thing (don't want to open a can of worms but...) the RT inspector hasn't inspected the vet med records on most of the suckler farms if they aren't assured, so the traceability is questionable.

 

[Drillman]

Shall we question their new TV add. "Traceability from field to fork".

I ain't a clue which wheat from which field gets tipped into a lorry. It's all in one bulk heap. I've never been asked for a field reference on the passport.

Then there's the 90 day beef residency thing (don't want to open a can of worms but...) the RT inspector hasn't inspected the vet med records on most of the suckler farms if they aren't assured, so the traceability is questionable.

Yes let’s pull it to bits as it’s mostly rubbish. And adds no premium to what we sells so all it does is add cost to our industry.

 

[Grass And Grain]

Yes let’s pull it to bits as it’s mostly rubbish. And adds no premium to what we sells so all it does is add cost to our industry.

...and undermines non-assured (I hate that term, sounds like there's something wrong with it), which is just as traceable, safe and wholesome.

Only difference is the non-assured farmer didn't write down when he washed his grain bucket vs assured farmer who wrote it down, but couldn't remeber when, so lied about the time and date.

Conclusion: non-assured farmer didn't lie about his production standards. Traceability of assured is only as good as what was written down.

 

[tullah]

Yes I was a bit suprised RT are disapointed we have questioned them!!

what do they expect?

After all farmers are majority funders of RT (50% direct and a further 5% via AHBD) so we should have every right to question how our money is been spent.

I would think RT will be even more disappointed to learn that farmers will continue to pile pressure on and question there every move until they start providing us a return on our not inconsiderable investment in RT over the last 20 years!

Our biggest return over the last twenty years will be pay out from them once we've taken them to the cleaners.

 

[colhonk]

Is it actually legal for the buyers of our produce to have a different standard for uk produce and a lower standard for imports, used in the same mix?

 

[MrNoo]

It's about time we grew a set and told them to do one en mass, bet if you told a Ukrainian farmer he had to comply with these rules he'd laugh at you. NFU quiet as you like over it, ignore in the hope it'll go away.
Agriculture in this country is represented mainly by parasitic shysters who only look out for themselves while we pay them, you couldnt make it up

 

[bumkin]

It's about time we grew a set and told them to do one en mass, bet if you told a Ukrainian farmer he had to comply with these rules he'd laugh at you. NFU quiet as you like over it, ignore in the hope it'll go away.
Agriculture in this country is represented mainly by parasitic shysters who only look out for themselves while we pay them, you couldnt make it up

you must remember this rt thing was promoted by the N F U its jobs for the boys

 

[Doc]

Our biggest return over the last twenty years will be pay out from them once we've taken them to the cleaners.

It won’t be because you can’t even agree to stop it collectively as a start. A group action would require this first step to be anywhere near the latter on the horizon. Collective action only ever works if the majority, or at least enough, sign up to it. This needs mass resignation across all sectors from the whole RT fiasco otherwise it won’t succeed.

 

[Doc]

By the way the NFU isn’t a ‘trade’ or ‘workers’ union because it doesn’t represent the interests of its members. It pretends to represent an industry but really represents only a small part of the industry. I think the word ‘Union’ confuses people ( including government in this case) which is why they expect more of it.

 

[Raider112]

It's unbelievable that with this anti RT avalanche of posts that none of them think it is appropriate to at least consider that the people who fund the thing for no reward, and are tied into it against their will, should have their grievances listened to.

 

[spin cycle]

It's unbelievable that with this anti RT avalanche of posts that none of them think it is appropriate to at least consider that the people who fund the thing for no reward, and are tied into it against their will, should have their grievances listened to.

but thats all it is.....basically a tirade of of the same old stuff....rt can ignore it because no real direct action is ever taken

 

[steveR]

you must remember this rt thing was promoted by the N F U its jobs for the boys

As has been seen by the latest Big Whigarriving at the AHDB, who has bounced across from another Gravy Train, the FDF.

Tim, currently chief operating officer of the Food and Drink Federation (FDF), will take up his position at the Stoneleigh-based levy board on 31st August 2021, replacing Jane King. During the intervening period the interim AHDB CEO will be Ken Boyns, AHDB chief finance and operations officer.

 

[steveR]

but thats all it is.....basically a tirade of of the same old stuff....rt can ignore it because no real direct action is ever taken

Can the NFU ignore it though....? Will Ag customers dropping off the NFUM balance sheet be a concern?

 

[Steevo]

...and undermines non-assured (I hate that term, sounds like there's something wrong with it), which is just as traceable, safe and wholesome.

Only difference is the non-assured farmer didn't write down when he washed his grain bucket vs assured farmer who wrote it down, but couldn't remeber when, so lied about the time and date.

Conclusion: non-assured farmer didn't lie about his production standards. Traceability of assured is only as good as what was written down.

In that scenario, it could be said the non-assured farmer is actually more trustworthy.....because he didn't lie about what happened!

 

[spin cycle]

Can the NFU ignore it though....? Will Ag customers dropping off the NFUM balance sheet be a concern?

i have my doubts as to how effective that is TBH

 

[SilliamWhale]

Yes I was a bit suprised RT are disapointed we have questioned them!!

what do they expect?

After all farmers are majority funders of RT (50% direct and a further 5% via AHBD) so we should have every right to question how our money is been spent.

I would think RT will be even more disappointed to learn that farmers will continue to pile pressure on and question there every move until they start providing us a return on our not inconsiderable investment in RT over the last 20 years!

Remember this is only the RT cost. Not the inspection cost

 

[Drillman]

In that scenario, it could be said the non-assured farmer is actually more trustworthy.....because he didn't lie about what happened!

I refused to say when i washed the grain bucket or trailer, when asked I pointed out to the inspector they walked past it in the shed and could see it was clean so write down what you like.

 

[Doc]

I’m a very part time farmer. I think this whole issue is very important though, in both principle and for the agricultural industry going forward.
I gave up RT 5 years ago.
I have not renewed my NFU membership due in March.
I have insured also last month through a broker rather than NFUM.
Im sure you ‘proper’ farmers will say, yes, but you’ve less to lose. I would say, actually quite the opposite. Take back control of your destiny in real actions otherwise it’s all just forum chat and bluster.

 

[Drillman]

Remember this is only the RT cost. Not the inspection cost

Hmmm yes add the inspection cost into the equation as well and it looks even worse value for money.....