The Red Tractor ACCS referendum

[Grass And Grain]

Been doing a bit more reading on this. I think we would be foolish to assume that all our imports are produced to lower standards. This really does need checking in detail before the rest of the arguments work.

Just been reading the attached.

I think the point of differentiation is simply that the mills (all working to the AIC UFAS rules) will buy any imported if it was given a sticker on the boat. They will only buy UK if the farm itself is assured. The different assurance schemes mentioned in column 3 of the table are irrelevant. The material difference is the UK farm level assursnce requirement vs the imported grain point of first collection assurance requirement. That would seem to me to be a distinct difference in contract terms for a similar type of transaction (just my honest opinion).

 

[Feldspar]

I think the point of differentiation is simply that the mills (all working to the AIC UFAS rules) will buy any imported if it was given a sticker on the boat. They will only buy UK if the farm itself is assured. The different assurance schemes mentioned in column 3 of the table are irrelevant. The material difference is the UK farm level assursnce requirement vs the imported grain point of first collection assurance requirement. That would seem to me to be a distinct difference in contract terms for a similar type of transaction (just my honest opinion).

In order to get a sticker on the boat would the farmer sending grain to the boat need to be certified under some form of assurance?

Similarly if a merchant buys from Camgrain store with many different farmers' grain in, are they just worried that Camgrain gives them a sticker, but in order to do that Camgrain in turn needs to know the farmer supplying them is certified.

 

[Bury the Trash]

and How does the imported GM thing work ? i mean surely RT cant certify GM produce in this country and yet mills can use it and sell it as assured feed. ?

 

[Grass And Grain]

In order to get a sticker on the boat would the farmer sending grain to the boat need to be certified under some form of assurance?

Doesn't look that way. Particularly if you read the notes at the bottom of the table, which say the supplier doesn't have to supply assured, but can just give a declaration that prduced to UK pesticide standards etc.

 

[teslacoils]

I'll stick £150 in. If only after reading the bulls**t FW article on red tractor reform. I'd want a receipt though.

f**k RT
f**k NFU
f**k grocery code

Let's get some free money for a "producer group", all get together and give them a good f**king. Bloody free-lunching leeches.

 

[Steevo]

Anyone have Mr Clarkson’s phone number...?

Having read plenty of his articles on farming that have kindly been posted on here I would be very interested to hear what he thinks about all of this.

I wonder if he will be filling in the consultation....

 

[ajd132]

What do the nfu even mean by ‘produced to our standards’? Their whole current lobbying argument is so utterly ridiculous it’s laughable, minette wants the whole world to join red tractor?

 

[Barleymow]

another step is for every levy payer to write to the AHDB asking them to explain and justify the £250,000 annual payment made to Red Tractor, it doesn’t fit the remit of the AHDB so ask them to explain that

i have it on VERY good authority the AHDB are looking for a reason to stop this payment so lets ALL give them one

neither Nicholas Saphir or Paul Temple are fans of Red Tractor .................

Could someone draft a response we could all send a copy of from our individual email accounts

 

[Humble Village Farmer]

Been doing a bit more reading on this. I think we would be foolish to assume that all our imports are produced to lower standards. This really does need checking in detail before the rest of the arguments work.

Just been reading the attached.

It's also wrong to assume that produced to UK standard is inferior to red tractor.

Produced to UK standard or product of UK standard, which sounds better? It's what we want to champion after all.

 

[Grass And Grain]

It's also wrong to assume that produced to UK standard is inferior to red tractor.

Produced to UK standard or product of UK standard, which sounds better? It's what we want to champion after all.

UK Farm Standard?

 

[Humble Village Farmer]

Could someone draft a response we could all send a copy of from our individual email accounts

Dear AHDB, as a levy payer of (cereals beef, lamb, spuds whatever), I am writing to object to the £250,000 the ahdb pays to red tractor.

The benefit to UK Agriculture is questionable and there is an argument that conditions red tractor imposes on farm businesses is counterproductive and even disadvantages UK produce when competing against imports on the home market.

Therefore I ask you as a levy payer to stop making these payments.

Please feel free to edit. I'm not entirely happy with it and I may have missed something important off.

 

[SilliamWhale]

It's also wrong to assume that produced to UK standard is inferior to red tractor.

Produced to UK standard or product of UK standard, which sounds better? It's what we want to champion after all.

A grain of corn is a grain of corn really. The "standards" are an artifical construct.

 

[Steevo]

UK Farm Standard?

Reminds me of this....

 

[Worsall]

I would contribute £1000, I'm fed up of sending emails to AHDB, NFU and RT and get no response.....they really do not care one fudge from their Ivory Towers.
I have more respect for Defra and Rural Payments, at least they respond to my emails, take phone calls and offer Consultations that are not steered.

 

[nick...]

Anyone have Mr Clarkson’s phone number...?

Having read plenty of his articles on farming that have kindly been posted on here I would be very interested to hear what he thinks about all of this.

I wonder if he will be filling in the consultation....

He could be very handy for publicity.
nick...

 

[An Gof]

Dear AHDB, as a levy payer of (cereals beef, lamb, spuds whatever), I am writing to object to the £250,000 the ahdb pays to red tractor.

This benefit to UK Agriculture is questionable and there is an argument that conditions red tractor imposes on farm businesses is counterproductive and even disadvantages UK produce when competing against imports on the home market.

Therefore I ask you as a levy payer to stop making these payments.

Please feel free to edit. I'm not entirely happy with it and I may have missed something important off.

We need to get @White rabbit on the job

 

[Henarar]

We need to get @White rabbit on the job

Well he has had neck enough to stand up to these parasites which is more than most can say

 

[An Gof]

I would contribute £1000, I'm fed up of sending emails to AHDB, NFU and RT and get no response.....they really do not care one fudge from their Ivory Towers.
I have more respect for Defra and Rural Payments, at least they respond to my emails, take phone calls and offer Consultations that are not steered.

Not steered you obviously haven’t replied to many Defra consultations. If you had looked at, completed and replied to the Urea consultation you would know just how much the consultations are steered.

 

[Clive]

Anyone have Mr Clarkson’s phone number...?

Having read plenty of his articles on farming that have kindly been posted on here I would be very interested to hear what he thinks about all of this.

I wonder if he will be filling in the consultation....

he’s a friend of one of my landlords- i might ask her to pass him my phone number !

he has the audience to inform consumers just whats going on

 

[MrNoo]

Mr Metcalfe also has a following and comes across very well indeed.